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Recent content by Gup20

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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    Well, one scripture would be: 2Co 5:10 NASB95 - 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Our judgment is for what was done in the body either good or bad. We...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    I dont' see any.
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    :weary: Fine. This is off topic, but if you must clear this up before proceeding... then here you go. Free will Deu 30:19 NASB95 - 19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    Nothing in your post is on topic. If you want to engage in faith vs works discussions, free will discussions, or your Calvinistic/Reformed theology talking points, start a new thread and tag me in it. The topic here is Original Sin and universal resurrection.
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    Correct. You are arguing against a position which I never took. This is why your argument is not salient. You are arguing against a position you invited me to take so that you could argue against it. Therefore, I said to you that line of reasoning wasn't salient to the conversation. Not...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    Not salient. I believe you are ignoring the context. 2Co 5:10 NASB95 - 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. The judgment seat of Christ is INDIVIDUAL...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    Ok, so you indict Satan in responsibility for Adam's sin. Not really. Eve was deceived, but Adam was not deceived. However, this is not what I said... I didn't say Satan was involved in causing Adam to sin, I said Satan was not punished by Adam's judgment. God judged the earth with death...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    I do not include devils because devils are not included in Adam's judgment. The serpent - which is a creature created for this world - was used by the devil and was judged, but the devil himself was judged prior to Adam's judgment with an entirely separate judgment which is unaffected by the...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    I agree, all mankind is descended from Adam. Yet this does not answer the question of where descent is delineated in 1Co 15 as the primary factor in death being passed. The term "descended" does not appear in 1Co 15. In fact, if you read Genesis 3 you will see there was a universal curse put...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    Act 24:15 NASB95 - 15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. Do you believe that only the righteous are resurrected? The point of my post is to say that all people are resurrected from Adam's...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    In the context you've specified, where do you find the word "descended?" It seems to me the point Paul is making is that of sequential order. Adam is the first of all who died, and Christ is the first of all who have been resurrected. Death came by a man, and life came by a man. It may be...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    I agree. The universal resurrection is irrespective of being guilty or innocent, wicked or righteous. Indeed. While the universal resurrection is irrespective of righteousness, a new judgment follows that universal resurrection - the Great White Throne Judgment. In Adam's judgment, only a...
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    Nullifying Original Sin - The Distinction between universal resurrection and Universalism

    Those who hold to Augustinian notions of "Original Sin" spend so much time trying to prove how all men were made sinners that they fail to understand that there is a universal end to Adam's original sin death judgment which nullifies Original Sin as a doctrine. Put simply, Adam's judgment is...
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    Free Will challenge

    Look at Rom 9:32 - "Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone... " The ones rejected are not rejected because God predetermined it ... but because they did not pursue it by faith. Faith is the condition for acceptance...
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    Free Will challenge

    By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created...
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