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Recent content by Frumious

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    Atheists go to hell even if they are good!? (2)

    Maybe you could help me answer this "simple question": How exactly does space and time appear from a perspective external to space and time?
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    Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

    I would liken it more to the person who placed the money next door, or who told you where the money was, they provided for you a path that didn't lead to torment; however by your own choices that's where you ended up. To be honest, if hell is your primary bone of contention, my thoughts are...
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    Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

    I think this view was summarized well by St. Isaac of Syria (he too was Orthodox): "chastized with the scourge of love. How cruel and bitter this torment of love will be. The sorrow which takes hold of the heart which has sinned against love is more piercing than any other pain."
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    Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

    This alone is a broad topic. And I will say that I respectfully disagree with your ideas here concerning God's motives and desires. And perhaps we can go over this in another thread. I believe that is exactly the point. That we as people in and of ourselves are not good and are not perfect...
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    Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

    (((Sorry for the wall of text)))
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    Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

    Skavau - I'm trying to show how it is practically impossible to empirically draw a line in the sand where there's people on one side are "good" and the people on the other side are not good. Even in your outline (majority of which I completely agree with), you believe that some actions which...
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    Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

    I'm not trying to trap or bait you... but I am trying to see how you as an individual define these things. I agree that it's near impossible to draw a line in the sand empirically on these things. You mention sadism as pure evil; there has to be some varying degree in this. There's an element...
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    Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

    @Skavau - Where (or How) do you draw the line in the sand between good and evil? Is there a way to determine an empirically universal line that defines good vs evil?
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    Eliminating the Sunday Morning Sermon

    Ephesians 4:11-12 appears to be clear in outlining that Christ sent teachers and evangelists to equip the saints. Additionally I don't find anywhere in scripture that forbids or speaks negatively of preaching to the elect. And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as...
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    Do they visit us?

    I don't believe in the ghosts of people visiting us. But I do think there's alot passed on from generation to generation beyond just hair color and facial structure kinds of things. The bible puts a good deal of emphasis on bloodlines, generational sins, the inequities of our fathers etc. I...
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    Eliminating the Sunday Morning Sermon

    Isn't Acts 2:42-47 a good model? They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone kept feeling a sense of awe; and many wonders and signs were taking place through the apostles. And all those who had believed...
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    May 21st, 2011

    Harold Camping (the guy who claims to know the date and is preaching it) counters this verse often by using Daniel 12 (KJV) verse 9: And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. He claims this verse shows that the words will be (have been)...
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    No Literal Hell?

    Well, I forgive you; however I don't need anymore of your abuse, so won't be back (I guess that's what you wanted).
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    Growling in video, maybe? (help me figure this out)

    It sounds like you need to change the batteries in your smoke detectors. Maybe it's related.