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Recent content by FerventDisciple

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    Amplified Bible and NASB both getting revisions/updates

    The only additional information I have right now on the NASB is in it's current stage it will be called NASB2016 or NASB16. It will not have egalitarian language. The next release of information on it will not be until December. I wish at least once a thread on Bible translation would not...
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    Amplified Bible and NASB both getting revisions/updates

    The Amplified update has now been announced on the Lockman Foundation Facebook page. I understand the NASB announcement is a few months away.
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    Amplified Bible and NASB both getting revisions/updates

    It seems most translations these days are being revised every few years. The AMP and NASB were last revised 1987 and 1995 respectively so that leaves only the NKJV of the modern translations which hasn't gone through a revision. The Amplified being released in October has this info: "Now the...
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    Amplified Bible and NASB both getting revisions/updates

    I learned today from someone within the Lockman Foundation that a revised updated edition of the Amplified Bible will be released in October. The New American Standard Bible will also be revised in 2016.
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    Does the Bible teach original sin?

    How can sin be passed in blood? 1 John says sin is transgression of the law. It's not a genetic substance or matter. Calling the flesh sin as in our bodies is pure Gnosticism. The propensity to sin could be passed spiritually but not by flesh. If Adam died spiritually when he sinned then his...
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    Does the Bible teach original sin?

    By this I don't mean does the Bible teach all have sinned, that is clear. But why do people sin? Is it because ever since Adam we carry sin genetically or is simply that all will choose to sin? I've heard some say that if we are created sinful from birth then we can't be held accountable for...
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    Do you believe in Original Sin?

    I did see anything in that Irenaeus quote that sounded like he held to OS. In other quotes he speaks against it: "Men are Possessed of Free Will, and Endowed with the Faculty of Making a Choice. It is Not True, Therefore, that Some are by Nature Good, and Others Bad." "Man is Endowed with...
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    Do you believe in Original Sin?

    Well I always did hold to a sinful nature but now I'm in between. It seems to have been unknown to the Church fathers until Augustine. It also appears to borderline make God the author of sin if He is creating people with a sinful nature and then punishing them for how they were made and born. I...
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    Do you believe in Original Sin?

    I believe the translation quoted is the NIV is it not? Notorious for it's bias and paraphrase. They translate sarx (flesh) as sinful nature in the NT, a gross mistranslation and paraphrase.
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    Big problem with NIV and some modern translations

    I have his KJV Only Controversy book, very good except I think his case for the Critical Text isn't very convincing.
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    Big problem with NIV and some modern translations

    I believe the Vulgate on the whole is representative of the Western Text type so is different from both our Byzantine translations (KJV, NKJV) and our Alexandrian ones (NASB, ESV, NIV etc). It contains the shorter version of the Lord's prayer in agreement with the Alexandrian translations, I...
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    Big problem with NIV and some modern translations

    The KJV was translated from the Greek Textus Receptus not the Latin Vulgate. The TR contains about 5 isolated readings from the Vulgate but rest is representative of the Byzantine Majority Text.
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    Big problem with NIV and some modern translations

    What they're translated from is.
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    Big problem with NIV and some modern translations

    Thus why I went to the Greek word. Even the Interlinear on Bible hub has the same wording as the KJV/NKJV/YLT/HCSB here. It's obviously a possible meaning and most of the time the primary one.
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    Big problem with NIV and some modern translations

    It's the same Greek word in both verses (Strong's 191. akouó). The NASB also follows the NIV's lead and translates it understand in the latter verse, the 1 time it uses it to translate the word. Over 300 times the NASB translates it heard, hearing or hear. Seems to me this is an example of...