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White House, DHS push back on claims ICE targeted 5-year-old in Minnesota, say child was 'abandoned'

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What's more foolish looking: falling victim to a well done Poe's Law, or claiming that Pretti fired a gun himself (thus providing cover to handwave away ICE culpability)?
Initially it did look and sound like Pretti had fired the gun as you see the agents jump back and one of them starts firing but as more videos came out it's clear that his gun was taken from him and he didn't fire it.
 
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Initially it did look and sound like Pretti had fired the gun as you see the agents jump back and one of them starts firing but as more videos came out it's clear that his gun was taken from him and he didn't fire it.
What's more foolish looking: falling victim to a well done Poe's Law, or claiming that Pretti fired a gun himself (thus providing cover to handwave away ICE culpability)?
 
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What's more foolish looking: falling victim to a well done Poe's Law, or claiming that Pretti fired a gun himself (thus providing cover to handwave away ICE culpability)?
Forgive me, I didn't pay attention to who I was trying to have a conversation with.
I should know better from past experience
 
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Both? I didn't make that claim nor have I claimed that the shooting was justified.
I just claim that I can recognize sarcasm. Evidently you can't
Forgive me for not thinking murder is a giggle. I’ll work on that.
 
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Forgive me, I didn't pay attention to who I was trying to have a conversation with.
I should know better from past experience
If you're going to quote someone asking a question, usually it means an answer to it will follow suit. It didn't happen the first time so I asked again. Silly me. I should know better from past experience.
 
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If you're going to quote someone asking a question, usually it means an answer to it will follow suit. It didn't happen the first time so I asked again. Silly me. I should know better from past experience.
I'll leave it to those reading the thread to determine who looks foolish.
Have a nice day
 
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I'll leave it to those reading the thread to determine who looks foolish.
Have a nice day
Cool. I'm reading the thread so I guess I can make a determination. The ones who look more foolish are the ones claiming that Pretti fired a gun himself (thus providing cover to handwave away ICE culpability).

Glad we could clear that up.
 
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Cool. I'm reading the thread so I guess I can make a determination. The ones who look more foolish are the ones claiming that Pretti fired a gun himself (thus providing cover to handwave away ICE culpability).

Glad we could clear that up.
Cool. Glad I didn't make that claim
 
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So you’re saying you both were being sarcastic and funny by claiming he pulled a gun on ICE agents?

Funny.

Aryeh was being sarcastic. His usual posting style sometimes leads people to think he's offering his frank opinion when he's being snarky and satirical.

The point was that the powers that be don't care about the truth, they have already determined that Alex deserved to be murdered, why would this administration want State and local authorities to do an investigation that could undermine their narrative?
 
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My point was that people who are usually in favor of restricting gun rights are now defending those rights in the situation in Minnesota. The man had a right to carry a gun but it was not the smartest thing to do to bring it to a protest and then inject himself into a law enforcement matter. I’m not saying the shooting was justified but clearly the victim didn’t use the best judgment. Likewise Rittenhouse would have been better off if he had stayed home
Maybe a country where just about any citizen over 18 can legally purchase and carry a firearm around, isn’t such a good idea?

Maybe.
 
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Watching the videos I think it's clear that Pretti didn't fire his weapon but it may have went off when one of the agents took it from him. (That model seems to be subject to accidental discharge)That may be what caused one agent to open fire.
As more videos have come out it looks like Pretti wasn't doing anything wrong and that a woman who had been pepper sprayed grabbed onto him to keep from falling down and that is how he got into the situation.
Which means this whole thing, including his death were caused by these untrained and trigger happy agents that have flooded our cities.

It’s time to end this federal terror campaign. They’ve totally lost the plot.
 
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Which means this whole thing, including his death were caused by these untrained and trigger happy agents that have flooded our cities.

It’s time to end this federal terror campaign. They’ve totally lost the plot.
Hyperbole much?
 
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Hyperbole much?
No I don’t think so. Where do you see any exaggeration? I know you know bad police work when you see it. There’s no way you believe these agents are all acting professionally. They don’t have the support of the community they are policing. Their presence isn’t wanted by the community, local leadership or probably even local law enforcement as they’ve only made the Minneapolis PD’s job that much harder and now their actions and operations in the city have cost two citizens their lives.

And all of this to capture mostly some undocumented gardeners and restaurant workers.

It’s time to end this nonsense before more people are killed.
 
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What's more foolish looking: falling victim to a well done Poe's Law, or claiming that Pretti fired a gun himself (thus providing cover to handwave away ICE culpability)?
I really don't think it matters who shot first. Pretti brought a gun to a supposed "peaceful protest" and was violent to federal officers in a high stress environment. His father even warned him not to start trouble. He even stated that although he had a license, his son never concealed carried, especially with multiple fully loaded magazines. It is clear that Pretti came to the protest prepared for a gun fight. The late great Johnny Cash said, "Don't bring your guns to town, boy. Leave your guns at home, Bill." I think the bigger issue is that Democrat elites, particularly in this case, Tim Walz, is trying to radicalize people into becoming their kamakazi suicide drones to distract away from the current scandals surrounding him and the fraud. Just think about it. Democrats have argued that more people have been deported by Barack Obama than by Trump. Yet there were no protests. Nobody was rioting. ICE officer wore civilian clothing. No riot gear or body armor was needed. So what changed?

The difference was that there were no such thing as "sanctuary cities" when Obama was president. State and local law enforcement cooperated with federal agents. Pretti was a victim, not from ICE, but from the democrat elites who turned him into the useful idiot needed to advance their agenda.

Edit: Wow! It is amazing how quickly law and order is restored when democrat elites stop their insurrection efforts.

 
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No I don’t think so. Where do you see any exaggeration? I know you know bad police work when you see it. There’s no way you believe these agents are all acting professionally. They don’t have the support of the community they are policing. Their presence isn’t wanted by the community, local leadership or probably even local law enforcement as they’ve only made the Minneapolis PD’s job that much harder and now their actions and operations in the city have cost two citizens their lives.

And all of this to capture mostly some undocumented gardeners and restaurant workers.

It’s time to end this nonsense before more people are killed.
You shouldn’t interfere with law enforcement officers who are making an arrest and you shouldn’t resist arrest

CBP and ICE should be better trained and only use deadly force as a last resort.

Both can be true without contradiction
 
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You shouldn’t interfere with law enforcement officers who are making an arrest and you shouldn’t resist arrest
Were they making an arrest?
It looked like they were tear gassing observers right in the face and shoving a woman to the ground.

How is it resisting arrest to react to getting a can of mace sprayed directly into your face? How is a person supposed to keep their composure throughout that while being dog piled and pummeled by several men?

CBP and ICE should be better trained and only use deadly force as a last resort.
It’s too late for that. Our city streets have already been flooded with these poorly trained, violent imbeciles. A responsible government would see the effect their mission is having on the public and course correct.

We don’t have a responsible government.
 
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I really don't think it matters who shot first.

What's it like supporting the downfall of American democracy and betraying every Christian value you were taught in Sunday School?
 
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