How Far We Have Fallen

[timothyu]

Got another one of those emails today that compared the 50's to now and how paranoid and thin skinned we have become. It would seem the problem lies in the fact that positions of power are limited. The whiners with poor self esteem, whom we all have witnessed as kids, grew up and lashed out, moving into those positions of power and prestige to overcome their inadequacies, and being leaders now, brought the rest of the society down to their level. Inmates always end up running the asylums simply because, being minorities themselves, they can simply overtake minority leadership positions, not needing the masses that offend them for approval.

Besides that.. if they are serious about making things better... why not go back and do things in the way they were done when they still worked. We haven't fixed anything broken over the decades, but broke what didn't need fixing. Gone from a society built upon personal responsibilities, to one of personal rights. But it won't last. History always repeats itself. As a mater of fact, we have become so complacent that one good power failure would shock people back into the reality of how incompetent and inadept that we have become.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Got another one of those emails today that compared the 50's to now and how paranoid and thin skinned we have become. It would seem the problem lies in the fact that positions of power are limited. The whiners with poor self esteem, whom we all have witnessed as kids, grew up and lashed out, moving into those positions of power and prestige to overcome their inadequacies, and being leaders now, brought the rest of the society down to their level. Inmates always end up running the asylums simply because, being minorities themselves, they can simply overtake minority leadership positions, not needing the masses that offend them for approval.

Besides that.. if they are serious about making things better... why not go back and do things in the way they were done when they still worked. We haven't fixed anything broken over the decades, but broke what didn't need fixing. Gone from a society built upon personal responsibilities, to one of personal rights. But it won't last. History always repeats itself. As a mater of fact, we have become so complacent that one good power failure would shock people back into the reality of how incompetent and inadept that we have become.

"For there is nothing covered that will not revealed, nor hidden that will not be known," was spoken by Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Why do I point this bit of scripture out? I point it out because in the 50's , everything was hidden. There was a perception of righteousness , but undeneath was so much corruption, so much abuse, so much inequality and so many lies. What you're seeing today is this dirty laundry right in front of you, exposed. God's perfect plan, unveiling deception and evil. What really matters is, do we now just complain or do we fight the good fight and work the harvest like He told us to.
My two cents.

Be blessed.

 

[timothyu]

I point it out because in the 50's , everything was hidden. There was a perception of righteousness , but undeneath was so much corruption, so much abuse, so much inequality and so many lies.

Agree with the unveiling but that unveiling was always accessible to those who sought truth, even as far back as the second century when twists were made. Those seekers were simply eliminated as the world reclaimed its authourity over that of truth. Also, unveiling have been cyclic all through history have they not?

But today regardless of what is being unveiled, it is the minorities who have found a way to rule the majority, and they don't care how far in a handbasket we have travelled because for them it is all about self.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Agree with the unveiling but that unveiling was always accessible to those who sought truth, even as far back as the second century when twists were made. Those seekers were simply eliminated as the world reclaimed its authourity over that of truth. Also, unveiling have been cyclic all through history have they not?

But today regardless of what is being unveiled, it is the minorities who have found a way to rule the majority, and they don't care how far in a handbasket we have travelled because for them it is all about self.

Minorities? When you say 'minorities who have found a way to rule the majority,' you are using a classic talking point of white supremacist ideology. That specific rhetoric is designed to create grievance and fear among white people by falsely painting marginalized groups as the secret source of society's problems. It’s a racist narrative, and it completely ignores the reality of where political and economic power actually lies.

 

[timothyu]

That specific rhetoric is designed to create grievance and fear among white people by falsely painting marginalized groups as the secret source of society's problems.

No. It's not about minorities or marginalized the media and certain individuals like to play on for their own purposes. That would be off topic. But if anything, majorities are ticked at having the cultures and civilizations they have built, eroded by those looking to latch on, but not help in the building up of what others are responsible for creating. They admittedly come from lesser cultures, ideologies and civilizations or they wouldn't be coming looking for greener pastures, pastures created by majorities you say are racist. Traditional minorities have always been so throughout history for a reason. It does not refer to races. Marginalized groups are no one's problem unless they try to commandeer rather than build. I suppose God will also be called racist or given flack one day for claiming tares are the source of society's problems. Remember, tares try to take over, not build, and tares ruin it for fellow minorities or marginalized groups.

BTW, both sides have the right to free speech, to march, protest or whatever. What neither side has the right to do is silence each other or try to destroy. Water eventually seeks its own level.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

No. But if anything, majorities are ticked at having the cultures and civilizations they have built, eroded by those looking to latch on, but not help in the building up of what others are responsible for creating. They admittedly come from lesser cultures, ideologies and civilizations or they wouldn't be coming looking for greener pastures, pastures created by majorities you say are racist. Traditional minorities have always been so throughout history for a reason. It does not refer to races. Marginalized groups are no one's problem unless they try to commandeer rather than build. I suppose God will also be called racist or given flack one day for claiming tares are the source of society's problems. Remember, tares try to take over, not build, and tares ruin it for fellow minorities or marginalized groups.

I guess now I know why history books are being rewritten and eliminated. I'm not sure where you get your information but it is obvious that the information you have provided is woefully fallacious.
It is absolutely undeniable that marginalized groups which have historically included Black, Brown, and Asian people, are the true backbone of the this country. From the foundation laid by enslaved labor in the fields to the grit and sacrifice on the railroad tracks and in every industry since, their relentless work, their resilience, and their sheer determination are woven into the very fabric of this country's greatness. We owe the strength and prosperity of this nation to their enduring blood, sweat, and tears.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not acknowledging this truth. I do hope you awaken from this kind of thinking and appreciate the marginalized people in your community.

 

[Bradskii]

Got another one of those emails today that compared the 50's to now and how paranoid and thin skinned we have become.

Ah, yes. The good old days. When those black folks were lucky enough to have their own waiting rooms and schools. When women were still in the kitchen (and marital rape was not a crime) and gays still in the closet (and were beaten and often killed if they dared come out). And still some time to go before universal suffrage and the Voting Rights Act and the US doing it's best to destroy large chunks of S. E. Asia. Infant mortality was 6 times higher than it is now, but hey...people had larger families to make up for that. But you had double the percentage of people living below the poverty line compared to today.

I could go on. But do you really want to go back to those times?

 

[timothyu]

We owe the strength and prosperity of this nation to their enduring blood, sweat, and tears.

I agree, but like it or not the worker bees were the labourers, not the builders. That fact cannot be changed no matter how down society gets on the creators. The same would apply if any other so called race had taken the lead in civilization building.

 

[Bradskii]

I agree, but like it or not the worker bees were the labourers, not the builders. That fact cannot be changed no matter how down society gets on the creators. The same would apply if any other so called race had taken the lead in civilization building.

And by golly, them worker bees knew their place back then!

 

[timothyu]

And by golly, them worker bees knew their place back then!

And what of their own civilizations that had failed them in the first place? Easier to blame others?

 

[Bradskii]

And what of their own civilizations that had failed them? Easier to blame others?

Sorry, I thought we were discussing the US in the fifties. What have African and Asian civilisations got to do with your desire to go back to that period in the US? Look at the title of your thread. It doesn't say anything about how far others have fallen.

Please don't derail the thread.

 

[timothyu]

Please don't derail the thread.

I didn't create the rabbit hole.

 

[Bradskii]

I didn't create the rabbit hole.

Ah...yes you did. If you want to talk about 'worker bees' then that's the hole you've dug. But I say let's keep it to the US in the fifties (where it seems you'd prefer to live) and skip other times and other places and other nations.

 

[timf]

The 1950s represent a time when the adult population had come out of the depression and WWII. These hardships instilled a self-discipline that is not often sought. In addition you have a high number of Christians who actually tried to live their faith.

Hard times makes good men
Good men make good times.
Good times make weak men
Weak men make hard times

The 1950s might be seen as good men making good times. Here is a short blog post about the benefits of adversity;

Christian Pioneer - Current blog

Christian Pioneer - Answers to questions about Christianity

christianpioneer.com

 

[timothyu]

But I say let's keep it to the US in the fifties (where it seems you'd prefer to live) and skip other times and other places and other nations.

I said the emails made that reference and i asked if the 50's were so good, why not go back and do things the ways they were done before ? You know.. instead of increasing the division and chaos.

 

[Bradskii]

I said the emails made that reference and i asked if the 50's were so good...

I gave you a very short list of things off the top of my head that showed that the fifties were a very long way away indeed from being 'so good'. Things on which we have made a lot of progress (although invading other countries to protect one's own interests seems to be a lesson that hasn't been learned). The impression that I'm getting is that there is progress we have made and some liberties now available that you don't personally like.

You prefer the view through rose tinted glasses at some Norman Rockwell idealist society.

 

[timothyu]

The impression that I'm getting is that the progress we have made and some liberties now available that you don't personally like.

Just the division and chaos

 

[Bradskii]

Just the division and chaos

Well, none of that in your version of the fifties.

 

[partinobodycular]

Hard times makes good men
Good men make good times.
Good times make weak men
Weak men make hard times

Hmmmm... the implications of this are extremely counterintuitive, because it means that we need to blame the good men for creating the hard times, and credit the weak men for creating the good times.

If the logic eludes you, let me explain. We blame the good men for the hard times, because the hard times are a direct result of what the good men created. And we credit the weak men for the good times, because those too are a direct result of what the weak men created.

Or perhaps we can just put it all down to the circle of life simply being the circle of life, and people just being people... not good or bad... just people.

As the saying goes, there but for the grace of God.

 

[Robban]

I said the emails made that reference and i asked if the 50's were so good, why not go back and do things the ways they were done before ? You know.. instead of increasing the division and chaos.

50`s America for many on this side of the Atlantic means,

Oversized automobiles and rock n roll.