According to Catholicism, what must one believe and do to be saved?

[concretecamper]

Who was it in Constantinople II? Did the Council Fathers follow Vigilius' leadership in orthodoxy?

I don't believe attended the Council, but I could be wrong.

The East that anathematized a pope for monothelitism owes its Christology to Rome? That's an... unusual way to read the history.

Particularly because of Chalcedon and the acceptance of Leo's formula over Cyril's.

And to a lesser degree because of Pope Damasus.

But both were very important.

 

[prodromos]

It didn't completely align.

It did. Leo's tome was judged by the standard set by Cyril.

Those who were Cyril loyalist formed the Oriental Orthodox Church.

They were loyal to Dioscorus.

Those who followed Leo are now Catholic and Orthodox.

Leo followed Cyril, so we all follow Cyril.

 

[chevyontheriver]

You reminded me of that meme about arguing on the Internet being like competing in the Special Olympics.

Thank you for your own participation in the Special Olympics.

Accept that this originated with @concretecamper 's strawman and move on.

I have long ago put that poster on 'ignore'. So I have no idea what that poster wrote or did not write.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I’m not revising anything.

OK then. Conversation over.

You need your learn how to conduct conversations in forums like this. I’m surprised that after 10 years here you still have not figured that out.

Thank you so much for the criticism.

 

[Hentenza]

OK then. Conversation over.

It’s hard to have a conversation when you only reply to one person without even reading the context of what the conversation is about.

 

[chevyontheriver]

It’s hard to have a conversation when you only reply to one person without even reading the context of what the conversation is about.

Conversation over. I'll decide later whether I think I need to put you on 'ignore' too.

 

[Hentenza]

Conversation over. I'll decide later whether I think I need to put you on 'ignore' too.

Go for it please.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Go for it please.

Done.

 

[Hentenza]

Done.

Have a blessed new years.

 

[prodromos]

Thank you for your own participation in the Special Olympics.

One day I may even be able to compete at the same level as you.

I have long ago put that poster on 'ignore'. So I have no idea what that poster wrote or did not write.

Good call.

 

[concretecamper]

I have long ago put that poster on 'ignore'. So I have no idea what that poster wrote or did not write.

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[concretecamper]

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[RileyG]

I'm guessing that Jesus doesn't require one to have a PHD in theology in order to pass the Heaven Entrance Exam.

Amen!

 

[The Liturgist]

It did. Leo's tome was judged by the standard set by Cyril.

They were loyal to Dioscorus.

Leo followed Cyril, so we all follow Cyril.

Indeed; in all fairness to the Oriental Orthodox they were also faithful to St. Cyril; the tragedy at Chalcedon was a needless schism between two groups neither of which was Nestorian.

There are three apparent villains: Eutyches, who had lied to Pope Dioscorus of Alexandria, and had been anathematized by him by the time of Chalcedon, but his lie caused the disaster that was the Second Council of Ephesus, Ibas, a crypto-Nestorian who continued to sow division, and finally, Nestorius himself, who in exile, in his self-serving Bazaar of Heraclides, claimed that Chalcedon implemented precisely what he had been trying to implement, which assuming Nestorius was aware of what Chalcedon actually said, could only be regarded know is a false and intentionally divisive statement, since Chalcedon unlike Nestorius upheld the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary as Theotokos, whereas the entire Christological rabbit hole of Nestorianism was embarked upon due to Nestorius being a crypto-antidicomarian, opposed to the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary and scandalized by the phrase “Theotokos,” thus speculative theology by Theodore of Mopsuedtia was used heresiogenically in order to provide a Christological rationale for rejecting theotokos, through the hypostatic and indeed prosoponic division of the divinity and humanity of Christ.

Thus attempts by misguided Roman Catholics out of touch with the process of ecumenical reconciliation to claim Archbishop Leo (he was not styled Pope - this title was only used by the bishops of Antioch and would remain as such until the mid 6th century) acted with supposed Papal authority are historically incorrect, anachronistic, ignorant of the events that actually transpired at the council, and also rather blasse considering the tragedy of the EO-OO schism, something we are just now beginning to close the books on thanks to the efforts of the likes of Metropolitan Kallistos Ware, memory eternal, Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev, and other Orthodox bishops of IOTA: What is IOTA?

 

[concretecamper]

Thus attempts by misguided Roman Catholics out of touch with the process of ecumenical reconciliation to claim Archbishop Leo (he was not styled Pope - this title was only used by the bishops of Antioch and would remain as such until the mid 6th century) acted with supposed Papal authority are historically incorrect, anachronistic, ignorant of the events that actually transpired at the council, and also rather blasse considering the tragedy of the EO-OO schism,

Fact don't care about feelings. Call me misguided, and ignorant, I've been called worse. I'll keep posting facts and let people decide for themselves. Hopefully they do their own research.

 

[The Liturgist]

Fact don't care about feelings. Call me misguided, and ignorant, I've been called worse. I'll keep posting facts and let people decide for themselves. Hopefully they do their own research.

Respectfully, because I don’t think you’ve realized this, what you posted concerning the Council of Chalcedon was an anachronistic interpretation, not a factual description.

 

[concretecamper]

Respectfully, because I don’t think you’ve realized this, what you posted concerning the Council of Chalcedon was an anachronistic interpretation, not a factual description.

I wouldn't expect you to think any different. But there are plenty of resources available if anyone is interested in researching. Truth doesn't change, it is timeless.