Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok, so then you agree that when they assembled in their homes that counted as a church?

Where have I ever said they assembled at homes, can you please quote me.

In the NT churches were being built which is where they assembled every Sabbath, in every city.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

In places they did not have churches they still kept the Sabbath

Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

For something that supposedly ended at the Cross, there was sure a lot of Sabbath-keeping going on 3 decades later, because the Lord of the Sabbath said it would not end Mat24:20-30 or ever Isa66:23. The Sabbath continued being a day, just as God said Exo20:10 because no one no apostles, no prophet is above God. I wish more people would accept this, it would make understanding God's Word much easier.

 

[Hentenza]

Ok, so then you agree that when they assembled in their homes that counted as a church?

Where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name there I am.

 

[JulieB67]

Where have I ever said they assembled at homes, can you please quote me.

You don't understand the question. You implied that the sacred assemblies had to take place in a church. And we know the early Christian churches had theirs in their homes, etc. So what are you stating? Are you agreeing with that or not?

 

[JulieB67]

For something that supposedly ended there was sure a lot of Sabbath-keeping going on,

They were building the Christian church which met mostly in people's homes. Teaching on the Sabbath does not mean they were "keeping the Sabbath.

where prayer was customarily made;

Yes, naturally. Where else would one go go bring people to Christ? You go where the people are. It does not mean they were keeping the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You don't understand the question. You implied that the sacred assemblies had to take place in a church. And we know the early Christian churches had theirs in their homes, etc. So what are you stating? Are you agreeing with that or not?

I never said they had to be in the church I said it was church to have a holy convocation.

No the early church had them in the synagogue when they were available


Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

Acts 13:42
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.


Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

There is no "every" any other day except the Sabbath being kept in the entire Bible

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, naturally. Where else would one go go bring people to Christ? You go where the people are. It does not mean they were keeping the Sabbath.

You can believe the apostles were in rebellion to God and His commandments, I do not believe so. Paul told us what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor7:19 not breaking them.

 

[Hentenza]

Home churches in scripture where Christians gathered for worship. List is not exhaustive.

Mary, mother of Mark. Acts 12.
Lydia (Philipi) Acts 16.
Aquila and Priscilla (Ephesus and Rome) Acts 18 and Romans 16).
Gaius and Titus Justus (Corinth) Romans 16.
Stephanas (Corinth) 1 Cor. 16.
Nympha (Laodicea) Col. 4:15
Philemon (Corinth) Philemon 1:2

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Home churches in scripture where Christians gathered for worship. List is not exhaustive.

Mary, mother of Mark. Acts 12.
Lydia (Philipi) Acts 16.
Aquila and Priscilla (Ephesus and Rome) Acts 18 and Romans 16).
Gaius and Titus Justus (Corinth) Romans 16.
Stephanas (Corinth) 1 Cor. 16.
Nympha (Laodicea) Col. 4:15
Philemon (Corinth) Philemon 1:2

Nothing that says day 1 except for a one time home collection for the needy, nothing about it being "church". The only every week gathering was on the Sabbath. Just as Jesus predicted Isa 56:6-7


Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

Acts 13:42
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

 

[JulieB67]

No the early church had them in the synagogue when they were available

I'm talking about early churches that were being set up by Christians. I'm not talking Jews and Greeks first being taught the word of God. And being taught the word of God does not mean they were "keeping the sabbath". Do you believe these temples and synagogues were going to magically turn into Christian churches? And you seem to continually miss the fact that sabbath is about rest. And yes within that rest back in the day gave them a day to not only rest but devote to God. Today we have that rest in sabbatismos.

But my whole point is that you are implying if one stays at home and worships, they are breaking the Sabbath ,even though many Christians and including the early ones met at their homes. But you are implying one is breaking the Sabbath by not going to church on a Saturday. That's what this is all about. You can spin it however but that's your point in the end.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm talking about early churches that were being set up by Christians. I'm not talking Jews and Greeks first being taught the word of God.

This was the early churches, lots of Scripture that seems to be glossed over on what was done every Sabbath.

And being taught the word of God does not mean they were "keeping the sabbath".

It doesn't show an example they were in rebellion to God and His commandments

You seem to continually miss the fact that sabbath is about rest.

I keep pointing out that God said the Sabbath is about keeping the Sabbath day holy Exo20:8 He doesn't want us lazy, He wants us honoring Him Isa58:13

And yes within that rest back in the day gave them a day to not only rest but devote to God. Today we have that rest in sabbatismos.

Yes, keeping God's Sabbath which is the seventh day according to God Exo20:10 is there someone greater than He that knows better?

But my whole point is that you are implying if one stays at home and worships, they are breaking the Sabbath by not going to church on a Saturday.

Again you keeping quoting "you" and think its me.

God said the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev23:3 which again we see in the life of Jesus and the apostles. He doesn't want us on an island, but in a church family, which continues Isa66:23

That's what this is all about.

 

[Hentenza]

Nothing that says day 1 except for a one time home collection for the needy, nothing about it being "church". The only every week gathering was on the Sabbath. Just as Jesus predicted Isa 56:6-7


Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

Acts 13:42
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath. The Christian sabbath rest is in Jesus not in a day.

 

[Hentenza]

Nothing that says day 1 except for a one time home collection for the needy, nothing about it being "church".

Now you are ignoring scripture. The list I posted are home churches where the prosecuted Christians would gather to worship.

The only every week gathering was on the Sabbath. Just as Jesus predicted Isa 56:6-7

Nothing in the NT about the sabbath being required for the Christian. I’m still waiting on that verse.

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

Acts 13:42
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

“When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ. When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law.”
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Paul worked during the sabbath by performing his job of an apostle by bringing the gospel of good news to the Jews. He went to the temple on the sabbath because that is where the Jews gathered not because he kept the sabbath.

 

[ultra.immaculate]

⭐ Christians do something that Paul said not to do in Colossians 2 - judging Christians for keeping the feasts and the Sabbath!



Acts 15:21 confirms that Gentiles should keep the Torah. This is the verse, "For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.” Why would Peter say this immediately after saying Gentiles should keep four laws from the Torah?



When Jesus said whatever enters the body is not unclean, he meant that whatever is entered into the mouth with unwashed/dirty hands. That was what the Pharisees were arguing about if you read the context. By the way, Mark 7:15 ("…Thus he declared all foods clean") is not found in any early manuscript - it was added later.



Matthew 5:17 says "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Notice that it doesn't say, "…I have not come to abolish them but to abolish them" nor does it say, "…I have not come to abolish them but to do with away them". Jesus fulfilled the Law by giving/explaining the full meaning of the Torah by giving examples regarding adultery and murder a few verses later.



Paul confirms Jesus' confirmation and Peter's declaration the Torah has not been abolished by saying the following verses:



Romans 3:31 - "Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law"



Romans 7:12 - "So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good". Why would something holy, righteous and good be abolished?



Romans 7:22 - "For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being"



Romans 7:25 - "…I myself serve the law of God with my mind…"



The Sabbath was never changed from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week. It’s a deep shame that the vast majority of Christians keep the Sabbath on the wrong day of the week. Romans 14 is a common argument against keeping the Sabbath on the 7th day. But think about why would Paul mention food at the beginning of Romans 14 to suddenly talk about days of the week? The answer is because he was talking about fasting. There was a debate between Christians and the Pharisees on which they should fast on.



The Law of Christ isn't a brand new law. It’s the Law of Moses/Mosaic Law but keeping the principle of the law or the spirit of the law and not just the letter of the law.



Gentiles should keep the dietary laws the Jews keep because we are now part of the "… commonwealth of Israel…" (Ephesians 2:12). We should keep the dietary laws and the other applicable laws from the Torah just like Jewish Christians do. It’s weird that Jewish Christians keep one law and Gentile Christians pick and choose some laws to follow from the Torah (For example, not getting tattoos but eating shrimp).



Keeping the Torah is definitely not required for salvation. Gentile Christians who follow the Torah commandments are not living like Jews, but living like people who keep God's commandnents!



The Bible makes a lot more sense when you read it from a 1st century Jewish/Hebraic perspective. The entire Bible was almost written by Jews to Jews in a Jewish context and in a Jewish mindset.

 

[Bob S]

Your conclusion depends entirely on the premises, and those are exactly where many would disagree. Scripture presents the Sabbath before Moses, rooted in creation, not introduced only at Sinai. The Law was given to Israel, but that does not automatically make every command temporary or symbolic. If the premises fail, the conclusion does not hold.

I have read and reread the Genesis account of creation and the rest God had after creation, and I do not see anything that would include Adam included in that rest, nor do I see anything that would make the day God blessed a perpetual weekly event. If the Sabbath were a perpetual event, why didn't God stop the Israelites on their flight out of Egypt so that the Sabbath could be kept? That flight took several weeks, and it was not initiated until they were safe on the other side of the Red Sea.

When I read 2Cor3:6-11 it tells me that indeed the Ten Commandments were temporary. They ended with the end of the Old Covenant.

 

[DamianWarS]

Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. Even the book of Genesis was a theological part of the Mosaic Law and is not literal (namely in its creation account).

If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.

an important distinction is separating the legal code of the old covensnt which has been made obsolete with values that are designed to extend across covenants. for example circumcision is a sign of the everlasting covenant between Abraham, his descendants and God and without ambiguity it was to be in the flesh (Gen 17). In the new covenant we do not keep it in the flesh but keep it in the heart. here the ceremonial/ritual aspect is the legal code where the "of the heart" qualities still are relevant.

this is essential when looking at the old, which tends to be superficial and interested in the outward posture where the new is interested with the inward posture with an outflowing. so the old says don't make idols, graven images or use use God's name in vain where the new says to love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind. the old says don't murder, steal, lie or sleep with your neighbours wife, the new says to love your neighbour as yourself.

where not murdering, not stealing, not keeping idols are good things to practice they are superficial and can be done mechanically, the focus of the new is at a deeper level and of the heart beyond the legal code. where there is ritual and ceremony these are legal code aspects that have been made obsolete. so it's not that the sacrafice, circumcision, or Sabbath is no longer valued it's their legal code that is obsolete fulfilled by Christ but also continued to be valued through Christ stripped of its legal code.

 

[DamianWarS]

Your conclusion depends entirely on the premises, and those are exactly where many would disagree. Scripture presents the Sabbath before Moses, rooted in creation, not introduced only at Sinai. The Law was given to Israel, but that does not automatically make every command temporary or symbolic. If the premises fail, the conclusion does not hold.

the legal code is bound to the covenant but we can still separate the legal code from its core values. for example do not murder, steal or lie. these are superficial and can be done mechanically, they are good, but not good enough as they do not address our heart. this is the legal code and it is shown as lacking and can be exploited, but indeed the core values is of the heart, and there is where the new covenant highlights them by addressing the heart values not the legal code.

circumcision, Sabbath and sacrafice, all found in Genesis but the requirments of the law are the legal code and the legal code is bound to the covenant they are created in (which has been made obsolete). these values have eternal quality, but that quality is not the legal code verbatim, but rather the legal code points to it. These rituals are fulfilled by Christ and we continue to value them through Christ, but stripped of their legal code.

The legal code often presents commands in external form, but the New Covenant reveals the heart value behind them. The law says “Do not murder,” yet Christ shows that sin begins in the heart and reframes the command as “Love your neighbour as yourself,” addressing the root rather than the act. The law commands Sabbath rest through ceasing work on a day, but the NC reveals that true Sabbath rest is found in Christ, who completed the work and made us holy, transforming rest from a day to a continual state of confidence in God’s finished work. The law requires physical circumcision as a sign of being set apart, yet the NC makes clear that without a changed heart, the physical sign is meaningless, and with the heart transformed, the physical is made obsolete. The law requires sacrifice for forgiveness, but Christ’s perfect sacrifice fulfills this entirely; continuing the ritual no longer expresses obedience, but a lack of faith in what has already been completed. This is the same with the entire legal code; it has been made obsolete as it has been all fulfilled through Christ, our instruction is to go beyond the legal code to its core meaning, not merely mimicry of action.

 

[ARBITER01]

Heb 13:10 We have an altar from which those serving the tabernacle have no right to eat.


People can't claim to follow Jesus when they do everything they can to ignore scripture and follow moses. You get nothing in the end.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Heb 13:10 We have an altar from which those serving the tabernacle have no right to eat.


People can't claim to follow Jesus when they do everything they can to ignore scripture and follow moses. You get nothing in the end.

The Ten Commandments is in God’s heavenly tabernacle Heb 8:1-5 Heb9:4 Rev15:5 Rev11:19- its God’s written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 Exo20:6 Exo32:16 not Moses. And its His version, not the edited version of man we are warned plainly not to alter Psa 89:34 Deut4:2 Pro30:6 Ecc3:14 Mat5:18-19 Rev 22:18-19