Greetings again saumus. Peace and hope to you brother.
As I reminder, I do think that the Holy Scriptures attests to the coming of fallen angels in physical form and were put into chains for this offense. I think we find this evidence in some of the Bible verses you have quoted in some of your other threads.
I am going to agree with you on one point in this thread...but not in the way you probably want me to agree.
Genesis 6:4 does refer to fallen angels. It, by the way, is the only reference to fallen angels in all of Genesis 6:1-4. That direct reference is... "Nephilim" meaning "fallen" in Hebrew.
So the "fallen" (meaning fallen angels) were on the earth...when? In those days and afterward...what days? The days when the sons of God went to the daughter so men and had children by them...who were these children? They were the heroes of old, men of renown (notice the word "men")...what heroes does this reference? This is written by Moses referring to heroes of old and renown compared to his time...who are these heroes specifically? Heroes like Nimrod, etc. Who were "of old and of renown for killing" in Moses' time.
So we agree that Genesis 6:4 makes reference to fallen angels. However, no cultural fable from the Book of Enoch that angels procreated with human women is verified in Genesis 6:1-4.
Regarding your quote about the book of Enoch
Some points...
1. The Book of Enoch is a collection of writings put together over time.
2. The Book of Enoch claims, internally, to be written by Enoch himself, but in fact was written by multiple authors separated by many years.
3. The Essenes were said to have received "visions" from angels during the Intertestamental Period when God had decreed there would be no more visions.
4. The authors of the writings that were compiled are all unknown. Which is common of the times since all Jews knew the proclamation that there would be no more visions and prophets and and the writers would be killed if they put their names on it.
Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure
6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[
a] humans forever, for they are mortal[
b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
It is set in the pre flood world so 'those days' meant pre flood is when the nephilim existed. sons of God are angels (job 1:6, 1 Enoch, Jude and peter) daughters of men are human women. 'and afterward' either means after the angels came down in the days of jared so still pre flood or could even mean after the flood again. the heroes of old men of renown were the giants/nephilim or the fallen angels that became flesh
1 enoch is not a fable
1 enoch was all written pre flood
internally and according to jude.
you have not a shred of evidence any part of 1 enoch was written after the flood. 'scholars say' is not evidence. go away and find that alleged evidence you think 'scholars' however you define that word, have rather than referencing someone else's alleged evidence
3 the people you call 'scholars' actually believe 1 enoch and jubilees written before the qumran sect arose (150bc). they date the original composition of 1 enoch to 300bc by unknown israelites and jubilees to 175bc.
the sectarian documents in the dss are not inspired i believe. the sect clearly had no clue what they were talking about based on their commentaries on a number of OT books which they interpreted to be about themselves when really it was about events in the 500s,600s, 700s bc (assyrian babylonian periods).
they realised God wanted humans to follow a 364 day calendar (1 enoch pre flood jubilees at moses time) and were going back to that rather than the lunisolar calender in the torah. it was too late as the messiah was about to come though. sons of light was themselves and the sons of darkness was the evil israelites in the jerusalem temple that used the torah calendar. the qumran sect was the original hebrew roots movement (the book of jubilees)
4 the internal author of 1 enoch is easy to know as the text says i enoch multiple times and i saw 50+ times. plus noah wrote a section and mehtuslah or lamech plus jude said' enoch 7th from adam'. genesis apocryphon said abraham read enoch to ppl in egypt, another DSS says levi handed enoch to his sons. there is no mass conspiracy. the texts were written at the time they said they were. I believe all the evidence from before 70 ad. i know the literature on 1 enoch like charlesworth (christian) vanderkam (may or may not be christian) nicklesburg (may not be christian), rh charles (christian) and i know they have no evidence it is pseudepigrapha.
Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day
2 peter 2 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[
a] putting them in chains of darkness[
b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others
Notice 2 peter is specifically set in the pre flood world. both jude and peter are referring to the angels that came down in enochs time had sex with women created the giants/nephilim and were put in chains for 70 generation (jesus time) because of it.
So i can either believe Jesus, Jude, Peter, Enoch, Noah, Lamech, Abraham, Levi or James Charlesworth/Rh Charles/other famous university teachers that are Christian that teach 1 Enoch is a myth. I believe the first lot of people not the second.
