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Federal agents use chemical irritant on crowd in Somali neighborhood of Minneapolis amid Trump crackdown​

City Council member Jamal Osman, a Somali American who represents the neighborhood, witnessed the confrontation, as did an Associated Press videographer.

Osman said armed ICE agents went to East African restaurants in the neighborhood Tuesday, closed the doors and demanded people's IDs. They found only U.S. citizens and made no arrests, Osman said.

It is not clear how many Somali community members have been arrested, temporarily detained or asked to show documents as part of the crackdown, which has also netted people of other nationalities. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said via email that they made no arrests in the neighborhood Tuesday, but provided no further details.

 

[rjs330]

the context of modern American political discourse (and, this extends beyond American politics to Western politics in general), I can't help but think that the point really isn't serious comparative religious study and a concern for religious and theological nuances--the point isn't religion at all, or theology, or doctrine.

Incorrect. When it comes to this it is both theological and cultural. Because Islamist teaching combines religion and government as a national governance. Religion controls the people through the government and the government uses religion to control the people. If we fail to grasp that theological truth then we fail to see the danger it brings.

What sorts of people are we willing to accept as our co-nationals?

Yes that is a very important question. Cultural differences are extremely important things to consider when deciding who should be partners with us in our country. Something the Danes had to figure out. Because when you allow just anyone in with different cultures then they can start to change yours.

And the goal is to place Muslims in the exclusion camp: Muslims don't belong, they are "other", and we don't want to include them in our circle of who is truly American, British, French, etc.

Muslims have placed themselves there. They have placed themselves in the exclusionary camp because they fail to assimilate. Why? Because of their religion, which rejects western ideology, culture and values. They seek to alter the western way and change it to the Islamist way. They come from third world countries with their uneducated backgrounds and their third world values and culture that is guided by their religious belief systems, they cant speak the language and separate themselves from the western civilization and demand we change OUR ways and you want to blame the west? How nonsensical is that?

This is Christianity as "civilization", not as the committed following of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who suffered and died for us, and whose teachings and commandments are to dictate our way of being.

Absolutely, and Christ utterly rejected false teachings. He warned us of letting the strong man into our house. The scripture is filled with warnings about false prophets and false teaching. Warned us not to let them in. Islam is an anathema to Christianity.

That being said, Christianity vs Iskam is NOT relevant to the debate whether or not we should be allowing people from Islamist third world states into the country. This is not a religion vs religion debate.

It is absolutely a religious cultural vs culture debate. Most if the countries that are facing these issues are not Christian countries. In Denmark it is a very leftist progressive non-religious country. But they have realized that these third world religious Islamist people are harming their culture and country. Because they won't assimilate. Other countries are recognizing this as well. And its time America wake up to the danger as well.

 

[rjs330]

Once again we saw the danger of the Islamist in Australia with the shooting there. Once again this is not all Muslims. One of the shooters was tackled and disarmed by a Muslim.

The shooters were Muslim and for the last 12 years were not a problem. Then suddenly they went off. This is why this is so dangerous. You never know when a member of this radicalism will go off.

In Australia they have imported these radicals and made excuses. Immediately after Oct 7 a very large group of Muslims gathered outside the opra house waiving Palestinian flags, Isis flags and chanting Gas the Jews.

And people wonder why we think importing these types of people is a bad thing.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Incorrect. When it comes to this it is both theological and cultural. Because Islamist teaching combines religion and government as a national governance. Religion controls the people through the government and the government uses religion to control the people. If we fail to grasp that theological truth then we fail to see the danger it brings.

Yes that is a very important question. Cultural differences are extremely important things to consider when deciding who should be partners with us in our country. Something the Danes had to figure out. Because when you allow just anyone in with different cultures then they can start to change yours.

Muslims have placed themselves there. They have placed themselves in the exclusionary camp because they fail to assimilate. Why? Because of their religion, which rejects western ideology, culture and values. They seek to alter the western way and change it to the Islamist way. They come from third world countries with their uneducated backgrounds and their third world values and culture that is guided by their religious belief systems, they cant speak the language and separate themselves from the western civilization and demand we change OUR ways and you want to blame the west? How nonsensical is that?

Absolutely, and Christ utterly rejected false teachings. He warned us of letting the strong man into our house. The scripture is filled with warnings about false prophets and false teaching. Warned us not to let them in. Islam is an anathema to Christianity.

That being said, Christianity vs Iskam is NOT relevant to the debate whether or not we should be allowing people from Islamist third world states into the country. This is not a religion vs religion debate.

It is absolutely a religious cultural vs culture debate. Most if the countries that are facing these issues are not Christian countries. In Denmark it is a very leftist progressive non-religious country. But they have realized that these third world religious Islamist people are harming their culture and country. Because they won't assimilate. Other countries are recognizing this as well. And its time America wake up to the danger as well.

Thank you for an example of exactly what I was talking about. You could not have proven my point better had you tried.

 

[rjs330]

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Thank you for an example of exactly what I was talking about. You could not have proven my point better had you tried.

Actually I didn't. But you can think so if you wish.

 

[FredVB]

Should there be any people who would not have some protected rights? Why? Are there not things that are self evident? Those born somewhere else outside of this nation are rounded up by ICE, whether here illegally or legally, as they are not brought to court, and removed from this country, whether grown up or child. And how has it been better for the homeless with having Trump in office even though born in this country? They are with Trump's authorization made outlaws, and pursued by agents, and rounded up, to disappear. There is nothing at all more godly being done from having Trump in office.

 

[ViaCrucis]

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Actually I didn't. But you can think so if you wish.

You said:

Muslims have placed themselves there. They have placed themselves in the exclusionary camp because they fail to assimilate. Why? Because of their religion, which rejects western ideology, culture and values. They seek to alter the western way and change it to the Islamist way. They come from third world countries with their uneducated backgrounds and their third world values and culture that is guided by their religious belief systems, they cant speak the language and separate themselves from the western civilization and demand we change OUR ways and you want to blame the west? How nonsensical is that?

The Know-Nothing: And American Crusader, 1854:

We must not let this fact go-by—the Roman Catholics are bound to serve their Church before their Country.

What is the practical and inevitable result of such a system in this country? Why, that every Catholic stands committed as an enemy to the Republic. In such a character, base as it is—reeking all over, soaked all through with a religion that countenance crime; with principals that are shocked at no extremity of corruption— their whole effect is to pull down Republicanism and bolster up Romanism. This it does. It is seen. The thing is plain. It can't be otherwise. A man who is a Roman Catholic is not a Republican. He can't be. Calling fish, flesh, don't make it so. Hence whatever is told you of Catholicism as favorable to all that is American, put no faith in it. The Pope of Rome says America must be crushed—and all political economists of any note or weight, agree that if it is ever crushed, it will be by Romanism.

Let us remember these matters. Let us regard every Roman Catholic as an enemy to the country—and so treat him. He is nothing else.

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