Is there another '1st World' country, where our darkskin-Black friends get arrested for having mental health crises?

[Factotum]

This is so, so sad to hear he was treated this way, like a rabid jungle animal for threatening to harm himself. And then be arrested "...after an incident at a staffer's home during which prosecutors allege he [only] threatened self-harm, a situation his defense attorney described as a mental health crisis..." without a doubt.

Had he been one of us Caucasians, would he had simply been transported to a mental health provider instead of jail??

What ex-Michigan coach Sherrone Moore said in court at arraignment

Fired University of Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore was ordered to continue mental health treatment as a condition of his bond on Dec. 12.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Richard T]

Perhaps the decisions to arrest and make a big deal of this was so that the firing for "just cause" would be certain? So it could have been money motivated by the boosters and university officials at Michigan. But yes, how better it would have been to show more mercy but perhaps there is more to come about this case in which he deserves everything they are doing.

 

[Larniavc]

Perhaps the decisions to arrest and make a big deal of this was so that the firing for "just cause" would be certain? So it could have been money motivated by the boosters and university officials at Michigan. But yes, how better it would have been to show more mercy but perhaps there is more to come about this case in which he deserves everything they are doing.

It does seem odd that the ex rang their attorney before the police. But on reading this it just seems another example of American society just being a gruelling place to exist in.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

This is so, so sad to hear he was treated this way, like a rabid jungle animal for threatening to harm himself. And then be arrested "...after an incident at a staffer's home during which prosecutors allege he [only] threatened self-harm, a situation his defense attorney described as a mental health crisis..." without a doubt.

Had he been one of us Caucasians, would he had simply been transported to a mental health provider instead of jail??

What ex-Michigan coach Sherrone Moore said in court at arraignment

Fired University of Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore was ordered to continue mental health treatment as a condition of his bond on Dec. 12.

www.usatoday.com

Did you read the article. He did not only threaten self-harm at a staffers home. He was arrested for

• Moore faces charges including felony third-degree home invasion and misdemeanor stalking after an incident at a staffer's home.
• Prosecutors allege Moore forced his way into the staffer's apartment and threatened self-harm after being fired.

Bottom line, he was arrested for stalking and forcing himself into someone's home. A small little detail you deliberately ignored. I am a black man, and if he had busted into my home and terrorized my family with a stunt like that, best believe I would want him thrown in handcuffs and tossed in jail.

 

[Factotum]

...stalking and forcing himself into someone's home. ...

He had no criminal history, never even a traffic ticket and especially never any Acts like this, sooo... You listed elements of his mental health crisis!
Was that a big huge detail you deliberately ignored?

If he was Caucasian, would you still have processed it in that same way you described?

 

[Landon Caeli]

If he was Caucasian, would you still have processed it in that same way you described?

As a Caucasian, whenever I randomly walk into a strange persons house, they usually offer me dinner, and a place to sit.

I can pretty much do anything I want.

 

[BPPLEE]

This is so, so sad to hear he was treated this way, like a rabid jungle animal for threatening to harm himself. And then be arrested "...after an incident at a staffer's home during which prosecutors allege he [only] threatened self-harm, a situation his defense attorney described as a mental health crisis..." without a doubt.

Had he been one of us Caucasians, would he had simply been transported to a mental health provider instead of jail??

What ex-Michigan coach Sherrone Moore said in court at arraignment

Fired University of Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore was ordered to continue mental health treatment as a condition of his bond on Dec. 12.

www.usatoday.com

He forced his way into someone's apartment

 

[Oompa Loompa]

He had no criminal history, never even a traffic ticket and especially never any Acts like this, sooo... You listed elements of his mental health crisis!
Was that a big huge detail you deliberately ignored?

If he was Caucasian, would you still have processed it in that same way you described?

It doesn't matter what your criminal history is, the color of your skin, or what your mental health issues are. If you force your way into my home and have a mental breakdown that terrifies and traumatized my children, you are getting forcibly removed either in handcuffs, or in a body bag. My Sig 226 is an equal opportunity enforcer.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

He had no criminal history, never even a traffic ticket and especially never any Acts like this, sooo... You listed elements of his mental health crisis!
Was that a big huge detail you deliberately ignored?

If he was Caucasian, would you still have processed it in that same way you described?

Home invasions are not one of those types of crimes where "no priors" is going to be a valid rationale for leniency. If this was something like petty shoplifting or non-violent drug possession, then the "no priors, let's go easy on him" aspect would perhaps make sense.

For a criminal act of that nature, it stemming from elements of a mental health crisis doesn't change the appropriate law enforcement response. One could argue that most instances of stalking (and several instances of violent crimes) stem from some sort of mental faculty issue(s). That can't be an excuse for "slap on the wrist" responses do felony home invasion.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Home invasions are not one of those types of crimes where "no priors" is going to be a valid rationale for leniency. If this was something like petty shoplifting or non-violent drug possession, then the "no priors, let's go easy on him" aspect would perhaps make sense.

For a criminal act of that nature, it stemming from elements of a mental health crisis doesn't change the appropriate law enforcement response. One could argue that most instances of stalking (and several instances of violent crimes) stem from some sort of mental faculty issue(s). That can't be an excuse for "slap on the wrist" responses do felony home invasion.

Agreed. I also find the term "dark-skined black friends" to be somewhat condescending, especially when trying to generate sympathy towards someone who broke into a home. Ironic considering if anyone, regardless of their color, tried to pull a stunt like that in the hood I grew up in, they would be dead before they crossed the threshold.

 

[Factotum]

As a Caucasian, whenever I randomly walk into a strange persons house...

Does that happen while you're in a mental health crisis. Because 100% of the time, people in such crises do things they normally do not do when they are thinking straight.

He forced his way into someone's apartment

Yes, thank you for mentioning that part of his mental health crisis.
Since 100% of the time, people in such crises do things they normally do not do when they are thinking straight.

 

[Factotum]

Agreed. I also find the term "dark-skined black friends" to be somewhat condescending, especially when trying to generate sympathy towards someone who broke into a home. Ironic considering if anyone, regardless of their color, tried to pull a stunt like that in the hood I grew up in, they would be dead before they crossed the threshold.

Its not as black and white as you make it appear here.
So you give the appearance that you are confused about what constitutes a mental health crisis AND the circumstantial evidence used to charge him.

He did not randomly go break into a home:
Yes without a criminal past, he barged into the home of the woman who helped him ruin his life and then he grabbed weapons while threatening to kill himself in her presence and claimed his blood will be on her hands.

I hope that him being darkskin-Black is not likely why humans are unwilling to process his entire actions as a mental health crisis.

 

[Factotum]

Home invasions are not one of those types of crimes where "no priors" is going to be a valid rationale for leniency.

No priors is one of those realities that is valid, for leniency, when cops arrive wherever a mental health crisis has unfolded.

For a criminal act of that nature

I hope its not a case where this was a criminal act ONLY because he's not Caucasian like us.
BECAUSE I am in awe, at how this ALL is not processed as a mental health crisis.

it stemming from elements of a mental health crisis doesn't change the appropriate law enforcement response.

Your words remind me of why there is a reason why laws have been passed to allow mental health professionals to respond to emergencies, instead of cops.

I don't think it's any wonder why he was not provided such response services and care.

 

[Factotum]

Perhaps the decisions to arrest and make a big deal of this was so that the firing for "just cause" would be certain? So it could have been money motivated by the boosters and university officials at Michigan.

...hmmm

 

[Larniavc]

BECAUSE I am in awe, at how this ALL is not processed as a mental health crisis.

I’m torn here. The guy was obviously in a great deal of distress and not thinking straight and often folks forget that the rational, clinically logical way that THEY always think and act like isn’t mirrored by most people in said distress.

But equally, manipulative suicide threats can be down to a disorder like EUPD but can also be just really, REALLY poor problem solving skills.

One you can try to treat and one…… maybe can improve in time.

The wonder here is how the guy avoided being shot and killed by the police; what with threatening to kill someone (albeit themselves) while being black.

 

[BPPLEE]

Does that happen while you're in a mental health crisis. Because 100% of the time, people in such crises do things they normally do not do when they are thinking straight.

Yes, thank you for mentioning that part of his mental health crisis.
Since 100% of the time, people in such crises do things they normally do not do when they are thinking straight.

If he killed someone when he wasn't thinking straight would you excuse that too?

 

[Factotum]

The wonder here is how the guy avoided being shot and killed by the police; what with threatening to kill someone (albeit themselves) while being black.

I would think that if it happened in the Ann Arbor MI area, or Metropolitan radius... cops were likely:

1) afraid to shoot THEE MOST PRIZED person in the local area... Remember now, Michigan is one of Top5 largest, most polarized football programs in the USA.
2) aware that he had no previous criminal history
3) witnessing him fight through the mental health crisis
4) learned that the White woman was not in danger

 

[Factotum]

If he killed someone when he wasn't thinking straight would you excuse that too?

I can't join you in going by "ifs" when regarding targeted violence and threats, good friend. I have to be fair to our darkskin-Black comrade here, who was attempting to harm ONLY himself.

 

[Larniavc]

I would think that if it happened in the Ann Arbor MI area, or Metropolitan radius... cops were likely:

1) afraid to shoot THEE MOST PRIZED person in the local area... Remember now, Michigan is one of Top5 largest, most polarized football programs in the USA.
2) aware that he had no previous criminal history
3) witnessing him fight through the mental health crisis
4) learned that the White woman was not in danger

How does any of that override the largely American crime of ‘being present while being black’?

 

[Pommer]

This is so, so sad to hear he was treated this way, like a rabid jungle animal for threatening to harm himself. And then be arrested "...after an incident at a staffer's home during which prosecutors allege he [only] threatened self-harm, a situation his defense attorney described as a mental health crisis..." without a doubt.

Had he been one of us Caucasians, would he had simply been transported to a mental health provider instead of jail??

What ex-Michigan coach Sherrone Moore said in court at arraignment

Fired University of Michigan football coach Sherrone Moore was ordered to continue mental health treatment as a condition of his bond on Dec. 12.

www.usatoday.com

Why did the OP inject race into the thread?