Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

[SabbathBlessings]

From what I read in the new covenant the church did not keep days, months, seasons and years. If we are to worship GOD IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH, then why use time, physical divisions of time to do this ? GOD isn’t bound by time. Why use it to worship HIM. Every second, minute, hour, day, week, month or year is when we can worship GOD. Ancient Israel was carnal and kept many holy days, in Christianity all days are holy because we are GODS temple, we are GODS building. We rest, we Sabbath from working in a law we cannot keep to giving up our works to submit to having GOD work in us. We are GODS workmanship and GOD has prepared works to do in and through us. This work is HIS love in us that empowers us to do no harm, to love GOD and our neighbor. Our natures are being changed to be like the divine nature that was demonstrated to us by Jesus Christ. We are to be transformed into the same image as Jesus. Only babes, those weak in the spirit might keep days but as they mature in the spirit they will give them up. Every day of the life of a Christian is with GOD and Christ, not just one day out of seven. What does a physical rest have to do with a spiritual rest ? The 4th commandment was only a shadow of our rest, our Sabbath in Christ . That’s what Hebrews 4:9 is about. Why do so many people try to mix the covenants together when they are so vastly different. It’s because they are carnal. The law, all of it, was only a shadow of what Christ would fulfill. The law is the shadow of death, the ministry of death, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the way that seems right to a man but the end is death. This is true and some people are still eating it’s fruit today and will suffer the same result.

Regarding the one Scripture you posted that Jesus is our Sabbath. This is what Heb4:9 actually says for those interested

Heb 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The Greek word for rest in the verse literally means keeping the Sabbath

Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Nothing about Jesus becoming the 4th commandment so we no longer need to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy according to the commandment and Testimony of God.

Yes, we rest in Jesus and those who enter His rest though faith and obedience also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 because man was made in the image and likeness of God to follow Him. We need both the physical rest from our works and labors on the seventh day Exo20:8-11 and spiritual rest in Him, they work in tandem, not against,

 

[Hentenza]

AI Copy and paste post,

You continue with your miss-representation and disingenuous posting. There is a link at the bottom of my OP which fully cites my source. This is the second or third time that I have told you this. I did not use AI.

 

[Hentenza]

It still doesn;t say the SDA church or EGW predicted 1844 or changes any fact in the post you are replying to, it just further establishes the fact he was a Baptist minister, EGW was 17years old, she was a Methodist at the time and no SDA church until almost 20 years later. Your claim was the SDA and/or EGW had a failed prediction of 1844 and that is not true.

I gave you the link to your own church site. You might want to read it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I gave you the link to your own church site. You might want to read it.

I did and it doesn’t at all say what you claimed it did. I even highlighted it for you where it says it was led by William Miller a Baptist minister. The SDA church didn’t form some 20 years later after careful study of the Bible. EGW was 17 years old in 1844 and a Methodist. You’re free to believe as you wish but it doesn’t change these facts.

 

[Hentenza]

What AI said about the accusation.

Those are my words not AI.

 

[Hentenza]

I did and it doesn’t at all say what you claimed it did. I even highlighted it for you where it says it was led by William Miller a Baptist minister. The SDA church didn’t form some 20 years later after careful study of the Bible. EGW was 17 years old in 1844 and a Methodist. You’re free to believe as you wish but it doesn’t change these facts.

The Millerites are the precursors of your church, are they not? Is Investigative Judgement not a central doctrine of your church? Doesn’t this doctrine teach that the heavenly review of professed believer’s lives began in 1844?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Millerites are the precursors of your church, are they not? Is Investigative Judgement not a central doctrine of your church? Doesn’t this doctrine teach that the heavenly review of professed believer’s lives began in 1844?

Your accusation was the SDA had a failed prediction of 1844 and that is not true, that came from a Baptist minister. Now you’re changing what you said. In 1844 there were people from a lot of denominations studying the 2300 day prophecy found in our Bibles. At that time the SDA church was not formed yet, a few went on continuing to study Scripture and almost 20 years later formed the SDA church.

 

[Hentenza]

Your accusation was the SDA had a failed prediction of 1844 and that is not true, that came from a Baptist minister.

Again, where the Millerites the precursors of the SDA church? Is a yes or a no question.

Now you’re changing what you said. In 1844 there were people from all denominations studying the 2300 day prophecy found in our Bibles.

Not really. Can you cite what denominations were studying such a prophesy?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again, where the Millerites the precursors of the SDA church? Is a yes or a no question.

Not really. Can you cite what denominations were studying such a prophesy?

Nothing to do with your original accusation. It’s not worth it to try to reason, the goal post always moves.

Take care

 

[Hentenza]

Nothing to do with your original accusation. It’s not worth it to try to reason with you.

Everything to do with my post. You are just trying to distance yourself and your church from the prophesy fiasco.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Everything to do with my post. You are just trying to distance yourself and your church from the prophesy fiasco.

Not at all.

This is from your own post

In the 1830s, a farmer, military veteran, and devout Baptist named William Miller continued the fervor of the spiritual “awakening” and sought to deepen his Bible study. Especially after returning from war and being frequently reminded of the fragility of life and the mystery of beyond, he focused on studying prophecy in Daniel and Revelation.

What denomination are you?

in 1844 EGW was a Methodist and there was no such thing as a SDA, so you can't claim the SDA church made a failed prophecy, but again we are long past trying to reason with facts.

 

[Hentenza]

Not at all.

This is from your own post

In the 1830s, a farmer, military veteran, and devout Baptist named William Miller continued the fervor of the spiritual “awakening” and sought to deepen his Bible study. Especially after returning from war and being frequently reminded of the fragility of life and the mystery of beyond, he focused on studying prophecy in Daniel and Revelation.

What denomination are you?

in 1844 EGW was a Methodist and there was no such thing as a SDA, so you can't claim the SDA church made a failed prophecy, but again we are long past trying to reason with facts.

My question to you was to cite which denominations were studying the prophesy and you did not answer. I attend a Baptist church but as you know there are quite a few flavors of Baptists so just saying Baptists does not help you. You made it seem like every denomination was studying it but you know that is not true. But we do know factually that the Millerites, which were the precursors of the SDA, were studying it and making predictions.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a classic example of attempting to mix the two covenants together. You being a law keeper should know that you cannot add or take away anything from the law. This means you cannot add the spiritual rest we have in Christ to the physical rest of the law. Hebrews 10:1 plainly says the law was only a shadow, not the substance or spiritual reality.

Does Heb 10:1 say the Sabbath law was a shadow or does it say something else. I am a firm believer of not adding to the Scriptures on what it does not say but allowing the Bible to interpret Itself.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.

The law being spoke of is animal sacrifices and offerings what Jesus was predicted to end. Dan7:27, There is nothing in the Ten Commandments about animal sacrifices. The Ten Commandments is what defines what sin is when breaking 1John3:4 James2:11 animal sacrifices was added because of sin until the Seed (Jesus came) why they were a shadow. Now forgiveness of sins is ministered through the blood of Jesus. Instead of taking an animal for a sin offering, we can go to Jesus in prayer when we sin and ask for His forgiveness, true repentance means a change of heart and a change of direction, why Jesus when He forgave said now go and sin no more.

. The new covenant is the covenant that promises everlasting life but as Jesus said, search the scriptures for in them you think you have everlasting life but these testify of me. John 5:39

The New Covenant according to God is having His laws now written in the heart and mind of the New Covenant believer's heart. Heb8:10 and only God can define His laws, which He did Exo20:6, it is His Testimony Exo31:18 and as the Scripture you posted indicated, the entire Bible is about the testimony of God through His apostles and prophets. And who has a greater testimony than God Himself. No one.

Considering the spiritual state you are in

Weird thing to say to a stranger and only God knows anyone's spiritual state so I say its best to let God be God to judge ones heart and to define His laws and Scripture.

I say continue your law keeping, because the schoolmaster may yet lead you to Christ.

Yes and once in Christ if we love Him He says keep My commandments and gives us a Helper, the Spirit of Truth so we don't have to do it alone John14:15-18

If this doesn’t happen now in your current life there is still hope for you in the second resurrection.

Everyone has to have a conversion in Christ in order to be part of the second resurrection if we are not alive when He returns

Remember, you must keep the Ten Commandments in absolute perfection, never breaking even one of them because if you do you have broken them all.

This applies to everyone, and while no one can keep God's laws on their own, through Christ all things are possible including keeping His commandments John14:15-18 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

After Jesus magnified the Ten Commandments to include the thoughts and intents of the heart it made the law even more impossible to keep than before. This means that you cannot even think of sin because your guilty of it.

I think you are reading your own doctrine into the Scriptures. No one should dwell on sinning, but if our heart is changed, the outward part would be too and the commandments would be kept.

GOD will judge all people by the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 All sin is lust and coveting by our thoughts, will you be able to control all your thoughts so as not to sin ?

Again, no one can in their own power but with God, He promises He has a people who overcomes. We can read all about this in Revelation which is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Studyman]

You continue with your miss-representation and disingenuous posting. There is a link at the bottom of my OP which fully cites my source. This is the second or third time that I have told you this. I did not use AI.

That's what I thought, you can't find anything in the AI generated Post that you promote, that teaches that SDA, or Ellen White, teaches that a man who worships God on Sunday receives the "mark of the beast".

Otherwise you would most certainly have pointed it out to me. I have read your web page, and I can not find what you are preaching. I asked for you to show me, in case I missed it, but even you can't find it.

That is because it doesn't exist, it is a lie that you or your adopted religious sect made up.

Why don't you just confess your sin and repent. You can disagree with SDA doctrine without lying about them.

 

[Hentenza]

That's what I thought, you can't find anything in the AI generated Post that you promote, that teaches that SDA, or Ellen White, teaches that a man who worships God on Sunday receives the "mark of the beast".

Otherwise you would most certainly have pointed it out to me. I have read your web page, and I can not find what you are preaching. I asked for you to show me, in case I missed it, but even you can't find it.

That is because it doesn't exist, it is a lie that you or your adopted religious sect made up.

Why don't you just confess your sin and repent. You can disagree with SDA doctrine without lying about them.

Again, I did not use AI and I posted a link to Ellen White’s own writings which is where I posted HER OWN words.

Im not going to lower myself to your level so go bother someone else.

 

[Hentenza]

@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)


Here are her writings:


(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1

(These are Ellen White’s words from the LINK below. If you don’t know how to open it then just click on the blue word evangelism. No AI here).

Evangelism

Presenting God’s last warning message to a doomed world is the “highest, greatest work” ever given to human beings. This comprehensive handbook on ev…

egwwritings.org

Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?

(These are also my words. No AI here).

 

[Hentenza]

What if you worship the Lord 7 days a week ?

Yep. I do, however, the SDA considers the 4th commandment to be a moral commandment. This means that those going to services on Sunday are sinning and if they don’t repent then they are lost. Quite the legalism.

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)


Here are her writings:


(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church.

@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)


Here are her writings:


(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—"The change of the Sabbath" is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church.

There is nothing here about worshipping on Sunday, Monday or any day of the week, as causing men to receive "the mark of the beast". As I said, and you completely ignored, the issue is the "re-writing" of a Commandment of God. Miller and White contested the Roman Catholics authority to re-write God's Commandments. That is the issue. It has nothing to do with what day to worship God, as no one is saying not to worship God on any day.

Here is your sermon; “The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those "who worship on Sunday" will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

There is no one, including SDA, that is forbidding the worship of God on any day of the week, let alone Sunday. It's right there in your own AI generated post. The issue is the Change of the Commandment.


I find it so amazing that you can not grasp this simple truth that is revealed on the very first sentence of your AI generated post.

 

[Hentenza]

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I find it so amazing that you can not grasp this simple truth that is revealed on the very first sentence of your AI generated post.

Wow just wow. The ignorance just amazes me. I’m done with you. You have no credibility here and are a false witness. Do not reply to my posts again.

 

[Studyman]

What if you worship the Lord 7 days a week ?

Isn't that what my posts have been saying? That is my point to the preacher I have been debating with. SDA preaches to "Worship Him" Every day. White didn't teach that if men worships God on Sunday or Thursday or whenever, that he will receive the "mark of the beast".

Now I answered your question, and I have some for you and I hope you will do unto me, and you have asked of me, to do unto you, and answer them.

Does the Jesus of the Bible accept "worship" on ANY Day of the week, from men who call Him Lord, Lord, teach in His name, cast out demons in His Name, but teaches for doctrines the "Commandments of men" and not God?

What did Jesus say about the "Worship" of men who teach for doctrines the Commandments of Men?

I so look forward to an honest discussion and to hear your answers.