Trump’s team sees Europe’s ‘erasure.’

[Oompa Loompa]

What does freedom of speech have to do with the topic? EU very much cares about it, but that has nothing to do with the topic, so how about we leave it alone and not try to derail the topic?

I have been fasting from the media for the last few weeks. So honestly, I have no clue what is going on. So apparently, I am too uninformed on this topic.

 

[mindlight]

By "ethical requirements" I assume you meant speech restrictions and censorship. Makes me more appreciative that I live in the US where we still barely cling onto a freedom of speech.

Actually Post War Germany has a very strong tradition of freedom of speech that is constitutionally protected. This is one reason why we, like the USA, have so many unhinged conspiracy theorists spouting nonsense from the margins. Or did you have specific incidents in mind where the EU is restricting freedom of speech. Personally I make a point of walking into the local university public lectures and asking difficult questions all the time. No one has stopped me or arrested me so far.

 

[7thKeeper]

I guess I am not too savy on the details on what is going on. I just know that the UK is punishing people for "mean tweets" for criticizing immigrant rapists. So, in my opinion, Europe is on a self-guilt motivated suicide mission. Who are we to stop them.

UK is not in the EU, which is the topic. And you can read the plain language of what's going on in this thread. It's not technical at all and anyone can understand it.

 

[mindlight]

By "ethical requirements" I assume you meant speech restrictions and censorship. Makes me more appreciative that I live in the US where we still barely cling onto a freedom of speech.

From the link provided earlier it seems the only restrictions and distortions on freedom of speech were by Musk:

The breaches include the deceptive design of its ‘blue checkmark', the lack of transparency of its advertising repository, and the failure to provide access to public data for researchers.

 

[Bradskii]

I guess I am not too savy on the details on what is going on.

Don't worry about it. Everyone is taking that into consideration when reading your posts.

 

[RamiC]

An example friendliness, would be entertaining a debate, that centered on *you* and not me for once.

mindlight is not in the EU (based on profile info)

 

[mindlight]

Make no mistake, America's government is well aware that the EU loves getting into the mind of, and infiltrating American politics, which is exactly what Russia and China do. Everyone's playing the same game, so let's not pretend like our common democratic policies hold us bonded together, because that's only how it looks at face value, while behind the back, people are all making maneuvers against one another as competing nations/entities.

Aside from all those elitist power-plays, us civilians can still be friendly, as long as we're all enlightened enough to see through the political nonsense. An example friendliness, would be entertaining a debate, that centered on *you* and not me for once.

There is a lot wrong in Europe and a whole bunch of "crazies" who are spouting nonsense with the aim of converting the rest of the world to that also. The USA remains the global influencer and so getting the Americans to buy into leftist or liberal ideas is a goal of a lot of European activists. To be clear a great many Europeans are engaged in fight against such activists also. You have to know who your friends are and who are your enemies.

I am not woke, am a Christian and I believe that the American-European alliance has broadly kept the peace since WW2 and been a barrier against the advance of dictatorships around the world. That said I think a lot of stuff Americans do is not working, in some cases e.g. the efficiency of health care provision you could learn from us and in others e.g. military we could learn from you. That exchange is vital to an alliance which should persist rather than be allowed to fall by the wayside. Americans can be a helpful corrective to European errors also. When you call for an end to that exchange you are in effect saying that the alliance is over. Americans should not be afraid of truth wherever it comes from, it is lies that they should guard against.

 

[mindlight]

mindlight is not in the EU (based on profile info)

News to me, I live in Germany but came from the UK.

 

[RamiC]

News to me, I live in Germany but came from the UK.

I did say "based on profile info" for a reason. You do live in the EU. I stand corrected. I was confused by the "from London".

 

[Robban]

There are people who live within it's borders. They should choose if it exists.

They have, Finland had a referedum and they chose to join, at that time Sweden was about 50/50, and so it goes that,

If we join then Norway will follow, but Norway did not follow,

Long noses all around.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Make no mistake, America's government is well aware that the EU loves getting into the mind of, and infiltrating American politics, which is exactly what Russia and China do. Everyone's playing the same game, so let's not pretend like our common democratic policies hold us bonded together, because that's only how it looks at face value, while behind the back, people are all making maneuvers against one another as competing nations/entities.

Aside from all those elitist power-plays, us civilians can still be friendly, as long as we're all enlightened enough to see through the political nonsense. An example friendliness, would be entertaining a debate, that centered on *you* and not me for once.

Sure, what is it you want to discuss?

Edited to add.
Here's the press release about X's fine (Commission fines X €120 million under the Digital Services Act). They give reasons for why they fined X, at least.

Or was it some other issue you wanted to highlight? The EU is a quite wellfunctioning trade bloc and regulating body (not perfect but good enough), as such I want it to keep it around.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

UK is not in the EU, which is the topic. And you can read the plain language of what's going on in this thread. It's not technical at all and anyone can understand it.

Whatever. EU is on the verge of collapse anyway due to their own political failures. It is the Moore invasion 2.0, and Europe has fallen...again.

 

[7thKeeper]

Whatever. EU is on the verge of collapse anyway due to their own political failures. It is the Moore invasion 2.0, and Europe has fallen...again.

People have been saying the EU is collapsing for the past 25 years at the least. And what political failures are those? Though I guess we can skip that question actually, you are again derailing the thread. How about reading the reasons for the fine and commenting on those? You know. The topic of the thread.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

People have been saying the EU is collapsing for the past 25 years at the least.

It has been collapsing for the past 25 years.

And what political failures are those?

Rampant liberalism and unchecked immigration.

How about reading the reasons for the fine and commenting on those?

Lack of fundamental rights.

By the way, the topic and question that was asked in the poll, what whether the EU should remain. I answered, "Yes," but it doesn't matter because the Moors have conquered, or will conquer them soon for a second time.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

It has been collapsing for the past 25 years.

Rampant liberalism and unchecked immigration.

Lack of fundamental rights.

By the way, the topic and question that was asked in the poll, what whether the EU should remain. I answered, "Yes," but it doesn't matter because the Moors have conquered, or will conquer them soon for a second time.

When was the first time the Moors conquered Europe? The conquest of the Iberian peninsula in the 800s (since you used the term Moors) or the Ottoman empire when it was it biggest in 1683? Neither time was Europe as a whole conquered.

 

[Bradskii]

...the Moors have conquered, or will conquer them soon for a second time.

I'm sure those living in Andalusia will be grateful for your concern. But seeing as the Muslim population is currently only about 4% I don't think there's any great danger of a second conquest in the near future.

 

[7thKeeper]

It has been collapsing for the past 25 years.

I'm sorry, but just saying that without any reason behind it isn't very convincing.

Rampant liberalism and unchecked immigration.

Immigration is quite checked, actually. And how is liberalism (not sure if you are referring to how a good portion of USA defines it vs how Europe would define it) a political failure any more than conservatism?

Lack of fundamental rights.

How is that a reason behind the fine? If you don't want to discuss the actual reason for the fine, just stop discussing it, but it really isn't hard to go ahead and read the reasons, the text isn't even long. I mean, you are making it very clear you didn't bother to read a little bit.

By the way, the topic and question that was asked in the poll, what whether the EU should remain. I answered, "Yes," but it doesn't matter because the Moors have conquered, or will conquer them soon for a second time.

... Ooookay.

 

[Nithavela]

Yeah, let's get back to talking about the united States, even though we don't live there. Because nobody is permitted to speak of Europe. Wow.

This is directed at the US government telling Europe what to do, not at forum members talking about europe. I also dislike being told to shut up on this forum because I'm not a US american, a christian or some other entity.

As a person living in the EU I say, talk about EU politics all you want (as long as you do it according to forum rules and try to be somewhat factual). I explicitly endorse people looking outside of their own country and learning about the wider world.

I don't mind people on this forum having an opinion on what europeans or the EU should do. I DO mind foreign politicians trying to influence us by browbeating.

 

[Nithavela]

FYI, London is not in the EU. The principle of subsidiarity is the working principle of the EU devolving decisions to the lowest levels at which effective choices can be made. Making Berlin the EU capital was the historical ambition of the Third reich and its bid is still handicapped by the history there. NATO is the defense alliance in the region and there is now deepening collaboration between UK, France and Germany as well as other countries in Europe like Norway for example

We don't want the EU in our capital. We barely have enough room there for our own stuff.

Besides, we'd probably still have to move all that stuff to Strassburg periodically because France.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Why would the headquarters of the EU be in London? The UK has left the EU years ago, and wasn't fully integrated before that.

Kind of a potential flaw there as well...

FYI, London is not in the EU. The principle of subsidiarity is the working principle of the EU devolving decisions to the lowest levels at which effective choices can be made. Making Berlin the EU capital was the historical ambition of the Third reich and its bid is still handicapped by the history there. NATO is the defense alliance in the region and there is now deepening collaboration between UK, France and Germany as well as other countries in Europe like Norway for example

I realize the Brexit thing of 2020 kneecapped it.

I guess I should've added the disclaimer (**if they could get the UK back into the fold in a perfect world scenario).

The idea I was conveying was that if Europe is going to band together and collectively tackle issues, having the HQ in a place that would likely be shouldering larger shares of certain "burdens" makes sense so that representatives from those nations are closer by the operations. Any security agreements would obviously disproportionately fall on the Brits (if Brexit hadn't occurred), and any sort of financial backing/bailouts would fall on the Germans.


I don't think it's any coincidence that the place that happened to be the HQ ended up being one of the larger net beneficiaries.

Or the other option would be to stick it in a neutral spot like Geneva Switzerland (a place with a long history of playing host to neutral summits and diplomatic discussions, and that doesn't have a dog in the fight)