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Trump’s team sees Europe’s ‘erasure.’

Should the EU stay together?

  • Yes, absolutely, because the whole entire world benefits from a united Europe

    Votes: 11 84.6%
  • No

    Votes: 2 15.4%

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If we're not allowed to speak on European politics, then why do Europeans think they can comment on our right to bear arms, and our politics?

The hypocrisy runs thick.
You can talk all you want. You will only be taken seriously when you identify interests that Europeans care about and propose solutions that might actually work. Trumps recent national security document is a proposal to reform Europe. Europeans have a right for some come back on that. This is the same in the US case. I can say what I like but will be ignored if the commentary does not fit. Your country does not live in an isolated bubble however much you might want that and its interests are best affirmed in alliance with like minded powers not in opposition to them.
 
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Just a distraction maneuver to get people to not talk about war crimes or the abysmal US economy.

Sweep in front of your own door.
Yeah, let's get back to talking about the united States, even though we don't live there. Because nobody is permitted to speak of Europe. Wow.
 
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Ask the people who live in the EU. End of discussion.

A couple of years ago I was talking with a man from Germany , he meant that we do not have to belong to anything ,

to be friends.

The EU is not a country.
 
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You can talk all you want. You will only be taken seriously when you identify interests that Europeans care about and propose solutions that might actually work. Trumps recent national security document is a proposal to reform Europe. Europeans have a right for some come back on that. This is the same in the US case. I can say what I like but will be ignored if the commentary does not fit. Your country does not live in an isolated bubble however much you might want that and its interests are best affirmed in alliance with like minded powers not in opposition to them.
Oh, yes we are talking right now, in America. About your "EU", and we're beginning to wonder who's the bigger threat... Russia, China, or the EU.
 
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Alternative head line: Whiney billionaire baby throws tantrum over fine for violating regulations where his company does business.
Yeah, this is essentially just Elon crying "what do you mean I can't do whatever I want? I'm rich!"

For those wondering what the reasons for the fine were, here's a link and the overall reasons X ran afoul of the regulations.


Deceptive design of X's ‘blue checkmark'

X's use of the ‘blue checkmark' for ‘verified accounts' deceives users. This violates the DSA obligation for online platforms to prohibit deceptive design practices on their services. On X, anyone can pay to obtain the ‘verified' status without the company meaningfully verifying who is behind the account, making it difficult for users to judge the authenticity of accounts and content they engage with. This deception exposes users to scams, including impersonation frauds, as well as other forms of manipulation by malicious actors. While the DSA does not mandate user verification, it clearly prohibits online platforms from falsely claiming that users have been verified, when no such verification took place.

Lack of transparency of X's ads repository

X's advertisement repository fails to meet the transparency and accessibility requirements of the DSA. Accessible and searchable ad repositories are critical for researchers and civil society to detect scams, hybrid threat campaigns, coordinated information operations and fake advertisements.

X incorporates design features and access barriers, such as excessive delays in processing, which undermine the purpose of ad repositories. X's ads repository also lacks critical information, such as the content and topic of the advertisement, as well as the legal entity paying for it. This hinders researchers and the public to independently scrutinise any potential risks in online advertising.

Failure to provide researchers access to public data

X fails to meet its DSA obligations to provide researchers with access to the platform's public data. For instance, X's terms of service prohibit eligible researchers from independently accessing its public data, including through scraping. Moreover, X's processes for researchers' access to public data impose unnecessary barriers, effectively undermining research into several systemic risks in the European Union.
 
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I think the EU should stay together to protect American interests. But will they? I dont know. I mean, if Europeans are ethnically replaced by foreign immigrants, is it really the same Europe anymore?
Musk would like the EU to break up to make it easier for him to break basic ethical requirements on his business there. He throws his toys out of the pram when he does not get his way.

Trump would like the leverage of negotiating with separate small nations rather than the bloc as a whole. But his recent security document also implies he is willing to work with the EU so long as it gets its act together.

The EU serves European interests not American ones but is aligned with the USA on a great many matters. Ethnic replacement is a myth, there has always been a lot of immigration and ethnic churn in European societies. The real crisis is the loss of Christian spirituality. A strong church could easily shrug off the challenges posed by modern moral relativism, materialistic reductionism and individualism. The basic political structures are not the real issue here
 
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Oh, yes we are talking right now, in America. About your "EU", and we're beginning to wonder who's the bigger threat... Russia, China, or the EU.

You are talking and a lot of Americans are disagreeing with you. Europe is a democratic ally of the USA. You are already in a cyber war with Russia and China and they have been stealing your secrets for years and plotting the end of your global influence.
 
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The tone I'm sensing is one of full-blown privileged entitlement... "We can say and persuade any ideas we please, but nobody else is entitled to do so".
Truth knows no borders. Build a wall against lies not against those who would bless you.
 
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Ok. Don't ever speak another word about 1st or 2nd amendment rights, Donald Trump, or anything to do with American politics again. Ever... KEEP OUR POLITICS OUT YOUR MOUTH'S.
I do not live in the EU.

If the question is "Should the USA have their 1st or 2nd Ammendments Rights? My answer is "Ask the people who live in the USA. End of discussion."
 
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Ok. Don't ever speak another word about 1st or 2nd amendment rights, Donald Trump, or anything to do with American politics again. Ever... KEEP OUR POLITICS OUT YOUR MOUTH'S.
Don't be nonsensical. You can discuss Europe as much as you like. But you were told that any decision about whether any Europeans wish to remain in the EU will be made, rather obviously, by the Europeans themselves. And ridiculously asked why. Who the heck do you think would make it?

And there's no apostrophe in 'mouths' (just so this post wasn't a complete waste of my time).
 
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Musk would like the EU to break up to make it easier for him to break basic ethical requirements on his business there.
By "ethical requirements" I assume you meant speech restrictions and censorship. Makes me more appreciative that I live in the US where we still barely cling onto a freedom of speech.
 
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And there's no apostrophe in 'mouths' (just so this post wasn't a complete waste of my time).
I only have one mouth anyway. I cannot close anyone else's.
 
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Ok. Don't ever speak another word about 1st or 2nd amendment rights, Donald Trump, or anything to do with American politics again. Ever... KEEP OUR POLITICS OUT YOUR MOUTH'S.
EU apparently doesn't care about freedom of speech. Yet they have the audacity to snub their noses at the US because of...?
 
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By "ethical requirements" I assume you meant speech restrictions and censorship. Makes me more appreciative that I live in the US where we still barely cling onto a freedom of speech.
No, you can clearly read what was the issue with X in the link and quotes previously given. Nothing to do with free speech, so not sure why you brought that up as a distraction about what the issue here was.
 
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Don't be nonsensical. You can discuss Europe as much as you like. But you were told that any decision about whether any Europeans wish to remain in the EU will be made, rather obviously, by the Europeans themselves. And ridiculously asked why. Who the heck do you think would make it?

And there's no apostrophe in 'mouths' (just so this post wasn't a complete waste of my time).
Sure. We can tell Europe whatever, but innthe end, they will do what they want. But the blatant hypocrisy has not gone unnoticed and severely degrades their credibility and moral standing.
 
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EU apparently doesn't care about freedom of speech. Yet they have the audacity to snub their noses at the US because of...?
What does freedom of speech have to do with the topic? EU very much cares about it, but that has nothing to do with the topic, so how about we leave it alone and not try to derail the topic?
 
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No, you can clearly read what was the issue with X in the link and quotes previously given. Nothing to do with free speech, so not sure why you brought that up as a distraction about what the issue here was.
I guess I am not too savy on the details on what is going on. I just know that the UK is punishing people for "mean tweets" for criticizing immigrant rapists. So, in my opinion, Europe is on a self-guilt motivated suicide mission. Who are we to stop them.
 
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You are talking and a lot of Americans are disagreeing with you. Europe is a democratic ally of the USA. You are already in a cyber war with Russia and China and they have been stealing your secrets for years and plotting the end of your global influence.
Make no mistake, America's government is well aware that the EU loves getting into the mind of, and infiltrating American politics, which is exactly what Russia and China do. Everyone's playing the same game, so let's not pretend like our common democratic policies hold us bonded together, because that's only how it looks at face value, while behind the back, people are all making maneuvers against one another as competing nations/entities.

Aside from all those elitist power-plays, us civilians can still be friendly, as long as we're all enlightened enough to see through the political nonsense. An example friendliness, would be entertaining a debate, that centered on *you* and not me for once.
 
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