Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

[lismore]

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[lismore]

Still more likely to be your uncle or cousins.

This newspaper article says that in the city of Glasgow 1200 females have been treated for Female Genital Mutilation. There may be an issue of some kind there.

FGM law remains unimplemented five years on - despite 1,200 women treated in Glasgow

Laws to protect women and girls from female genital mutilation have not been implemented after five years, with more than 1,200 treated in Glasgow…

www.heraldscotland.com

 

[FaithT]

This newspaper article says that in the city of Glasgow 1200 females have been treated for Female Genital Mutilation. There may be an issue of some kind there.

FGM law remains unimplemented five years on - despite 1,200 women treated in Glasgow

Laws to protect women and girls from female genital mutilation have not been implemented after five years, with more than 1,200 treated in Glasgow…

www.heraldscotland.com

Glasgow SCOTLAND? By whom were these mutilations from? I mean what religion, if any?

 

[lismore]

Glasgow SCOTLAND? By whom were these mutilations from? I mean what religion, if any?

Hello FaithT. I found a wikipedia article explaining the practice, but it maybe too harrowing for posting here. If you go to wikipedia and search for the term you'll find the article. It says the practice is 'significantly present in some countries of Africa, Asia and Middle East, and within their diasporas'.

Kind Regards.

 

[FaithT]

Hello FaithT. I found a wikipedia article explaining the practice, but it maybe too harrowing for posting here. If you go to wikipedia and search for the term you'll find the article. It says the practice is 'significantly present in some countries of Africa, Asia and Middle East, and within their diasporas'.

Kind Regards.

I knew it happened in Africa, don’t know if I ever heard of it in Asia or Middle East. So this is happening with people From these countries when they move to Scotland?

 

[truthuprootsevil]

Permanently Pause? Just say S T O P migration from third world countries!

Migration? Am I mistaken, do migrating people come to the country legally? Or is he just referring to those who enter illegally? I think not!

The one who is sitting in the office of president in the present time doesn't care about less fortunate people unless he has a use for them.

And he speaks of the illegals who come here committing crime, but he is going to prison systems have more US citizens manually illegals, and the number is overwhelmingly higher. But people will ignore facts to achieve what they want.BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship

Is it hospital care? US citizens are greater numbers than illegals, can't find the numbers. But if a state is spending a few million on hospital care for illegals think of what they're spending on citizens?
Noncitizens’ Access to Health Care | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/ULaI0ymWW6zDoYpvq

Government aid program? Again US citizens at the top of the list and many government aid programs illegals cannot received.

I guess farmers will start complaining again they will not have anyone to work their Crops. It's the dirty jobs, the menial jobs, that US citizens don't want and the majority will not do.

The Bible tells people to help each other, be kind to the stranger, help those in need but if you a third world country the current US president and his supporters don't want to help anyone less fortunate than them, of course unless it's family or friends.

 

[FaithT]

Permanently Pause? Just say S T O P migration from third world countries!

Migration? Am I mistaken, do migrating people come to the country legally? Or is he just referring to those who enter illegally? I think not!

The one who is sitting in the office of president in the present time doesn't care about less fortunate people unless he has a use for them.

And he speaks of the illegals who come here committing crime, but he is going to prison systems have more US citizens manually illegals, and the number is overwhelmingly higher. But people will ignore facts to achieve what they want.BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship

Is it hospital care? US citizens are greater numbers than illegals, can't find the numbers. But if a state is spending a few million on hospital care for illegals think of what they're spending on citizens?
Noncitizens’ Access to Health Care | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/ULaI0ymWW6zDoYpvq

Government aid program? Again US citizens at the top of the list and many government aid programs illegals cannot received.

I guess farmers will start complaining again they will not have anyone to work their Crops. It's the dirty jobs, the menial jobs, that US citizens don't want and the majority will not do.

The Bible tells people to help each other, be kind to the stranger, help those in need but if you a third world country the current US president and his supporters don't want to help anyone less fortunate than them, of course unless it's family or friends.

I doubt Trump has any family (that he would acknowledge) or friends less fortunate.

 

[truthuprootsevil]

I doubt Trump has any family (that he would acknowledge) or friends less fortunate.

Agreed, but I was actually thinking of his supporters.

 

[lismore]

I knew it happened in Africa, don’t know if I ever heard of it in Asia or Middle East. So this is happening with people From these countries when they move to Scotland?

According to the newspaper article yes, 1200 reported cases in Glasgow.

 

[FaithT]

According to the newspaper article yes, 1200 reported cases in Glasgow.

Wow. That’s sickening. I read up on it. To make things worse, some of these cases (I don’t know about in Scotland) are done without anesthesia or numbing agents and with broken glass, sharp rocks, fingernails and more. The same “instruments” are re-used on numbers of girls without sterilization. Absolutely barbaric.

 

[rjs330]

And he speaks of the illegals who come here committing crime, but he is going to prison systems have more US citizens manually illegals, and the number is overwhelmingly higher. But people will ignore facts to achieve what they want.BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship

Is your claim then, because we have Americans who commit crime, we should therefore allow illegals in who commit crime?

The truth is we don't actually know how much crime illegals commit because most places don't keep track of if a person is illegal or not. I know in my area inmates are not required to prove their citizenship.

Government aid program? Again US citizens at the top of the list and many government aid programs illegals cannot received.

And they should be top of the list. They are citizens. Yes, illegals arent supposed to get certain aid, and yet they do becauae states administer the programs and there are ways around the federal requirements.

I guess farmers will start complaining again they will not have anyone to work their Crops. It's the dirty jobs, the menial jobs, that US citizens don't want and the majority will not do.

Is this all the illegals are good for? Doing the dirty jobs and being taken advantage of. Maybe if we forced rhe farmers to hire only legals the wages would go up enough that Americans might do it. But this is a dirty little secret. Hire illegals and keep wages lower, for everyone.

The Bible tells people to help each other, be kind to the stranger, help those in need but if you a third world country the current US president and his supporters don't want to help anyone less fortunate than them, of course unless it's family or friends.

The Bible says a lot of things Christians should and shouldn't do. Are you for forcing everyone to follow scritpure in all things or just certain things? The things you apparently support. What if I said we needed to outlaw lying and homosexuality. Would you be for that or against that?

 

[truthuprootsevil]

Is your claim then, because we have Americans who commit crime, we should therefore allow illegals in who commit crime?

The truth is we don't actually know how much crime illegals commit because most places don't keep track of if a person is illegal or not. I know in my area inmates are not required to prove their citizenship.

And they should be top of the list. They are citizens. Yes, illegals arent supposed to get certain aid, and yet they do becauae states administer the programs and there are ways around the federal requirements.

Is this all the illegals are good for? Doing the dirty jobs and being taken advantage of. Maybe if we forced rhe farmers to hire only legals the wages would go up enough that Americans might do it. But this is a dirty little secret. Hire illegals and keep wages lower, for everyone.

The Bible says a lot of things Christians should and shouldn't do. Are you for forcing everyone to follow scritpure in all things or just certain things? The things you apparently support. What if I said we needed to outlaw lying and homosexuality. Would you be for that or against that?

No I am not saying illegals should be allowed to come here, you can assume that if you like.

And anytime a person is arrested they go into the data bank / their fingerprint, their age, their address, their name, their nationality and whether they are illegal or not. All over the USA and today with computers it is easy to keep up with.

I didn't say illegals were supposed to get aid and wasn't saying that citizens shouldn't be at the top of the list.

Who said that was all their good for you? I believe I indicated this if not I'm saying it directly the majority of the US citizens think that those type of jobs is too low, to menial for them and will not do it. Jobs that the slaves did what did Trump call certain jobs /Black jobs.

Forcing, funny how people who don't believe in scripture always use the word forcing, who have I forced to do anything. Churches Don't Force anyone to do anything they speak of what's written in scripture do all people follow it no, most people mess up and mess up big.

Actually in a court of law lying is out lawed - line to the feds is outlawed. Lying to cops you can get fined.

Homosexuality at one point was outlawed not that long ago, funny how you use this, why not outlaw cheating / why not outlaw adultery / why not outlaw disrespect for your parents / why not outlaw disrespect for your neighbors / which are other things that Bible speaks against but you chose homosexuality.

Me personally I don't give a hoot what you or anybody else do that's your business. But I will say the Bible speaks against it and it's entirely up to you or any individual on what your/their sexual orientations are.

 

[rjs330]

And anytime a person is arrested they go into the data bank / their fingerprint, their age, their address, their name, their nationality and whether they are illegal or not. All over the USA and today with computers it is easy to keep up with.

No they are not. The fact they are illegal or legal is not entered, unless the jurisdiction actually asks and the person is honest. The peraon could lie and the jurisdiction does not collect their birth certificate.

No I am not saying illegals should be allowed to come here, you can assume that if you like

Then what was the point of saying Americans commit crime? It seems like you were arguing that it is no argument to say we shouldn't allow illegals in because they commit crime. I don't get your point then.

I didn't say illegals were supposed to get aid and wasn't saying that citizens shouldn't be at the top of the list.

Then why mention it?

I believe I indicated this if not I'm saying it directly the majority of the US citizens think that those type of jobs is too low, to menial for them and will not do it. Jobs that the slaves did what did Trump call certain jobs /Black jobs.

Again what is your point in pointing out illegals do these jobs? How do you know Americans won't do them? Maybe Americans wont do them for the wages illegals will? If we get rid of the illegals maybe they would have to raise the wages to get Americans. Or at least the legal immigrants. It might actually force Congress to pass immigration reforms to allow legals in to work those jobs specifically.

Forcing, funny how people who don't believe in scripture always use the word forcing, who have I forced to do anything. Churches Don't Force anyone to do anything they speak of what's written in scripture do all people follow it no, most people mess up and mess up big.

You were the one preaching how we as a country should follow scriptures. But I wonder if you really believe that or if its actually political for you. Because what I have found is so many who claim we should be taking in and helping people who cross our borders and want to use scripture as an admonition to do so, only want to use it for that purpose. They are not using scripture to support outlawing things that scripture says we shouldn't be doing.

You either want the governemnt to follow scriptural admonition on all things or you should keep it to yourself. The Bible is not a club only to be used for your pet political positions.

It is not a treatise for how government should operate. It was written to teach Chriatians how they ought to be in their personal lives and for how the church itself ought to govern itself.

Actually in a court of law lying is out lawed - line to the feds is outlawed. Lying to cops you can get fined.

According to scripture we are not supposed to lie to anyone. Do you think we ought to follow scripture and ask government for laws against all lying.

Homosexuality at one point was outlawed not that long ago, funny how you use this, why not outlaw cheating / why not outlaw adultery / why not outlaw disrespect for your parents / why not outlaw disrespect for your neighbors / which are other things that Bible speaks against but you chose homosexuality.

I used that to prove a point. That often those who want to use scripture for certain things are often politically motivated to do so and not really interested in being consistent. And homosexuality is a quick way to determine where they really are. In the past I have used adultery as an example as well. Don't get hung up on the fact I didn't list every sinful act. My point is bigger than that.

To be clear, when it comes to asking, wanting or supporting the governement in following a scriptural standard, then we should not use it only for certain things we want, but should use ALL of scripture and not just the pet ones we like. That goes for all of us. If I am going to say that we should outlaw homosexuality because the Bible says its bad, then I should also support big government welfare taking care of all poor. We either accept all of scripture being followed by government or none of it. Picking and choosing is political and hypocritical.

 

[truthuprootsevil]

No they are not. The fact they are illegal or legal is not entered, unless the jurisdiction actually asks and the person is honest. The peraon could lie and the jurisdiction does not collect their birth certificate.

When arrested police and I'm speaking of regular law enforcement ARREST ANYONE they ask QUESTIONS on the forms that they have to fill out. Information about the person they've arrested from name / to birth date / to address / to being a US citizen or not / whether they work or not / telephone number / etc, that should be common knowledge - they call it the BOOKING PROCESS. And those who lie about it or refuse to answer makes no difference. Definitely immigration and Federal law systems ask these questions.
If Questioned by Police, FBI, Customs Agents, or Immigration Officers - ACLU of Socal If Questioned by Police, FBI, Customs Agents, or Immigration Officers - ACLU of Socal

Then what was the point of saying Americans commit crime? It seems like you were arguing that it is no argument to say we shouldn't allow illegals in because they commit crime. I don't get your point then.

Then why mention it?

The point is Donald Trump main reasoning for his actions is to take out the criminal element of people who entered this country illegally. And how they are committing this crime that crime in every other crime as if it outweighs what legal Americans do. Also mentioning he's going after those with visas and green cards

Again what is your point in pointing out illegals do these jobs? How do you know Americans won't do them? Maybe Americans wont do them for the wages illegals will? If we get rid of the illegals maybe they would have to raise the wages to get Americans. Or at least the legal immigrants. It might actually force Congress to pass immigration reforms to allow legals in to work those jobs specifically.

People who enter this country illegally have been doing those jobs for decades. I've witnessed it and I've been around quite a while.

There Are No Jobs Americans Won’t Do

Among the 474 separate occupations defined by the Department of Commerce, we find only a handful of majority-immigrant occupations, and none completely dominated by immigrants.

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And then you say maybe Americans won't do it because of the wage, yes they are all low wage income jobs. Jobs that Blacks typically done for decades prior.
There Are No Jobs Americans Won’t Do There Are No Jobs Americans Won’t Do

Jobs Nobody Wants | PBS News Jobs Nobody Wants

Most Americans say immigrants mainly fill jobs US citizens don’t want | Pew Research Center A majority of Americans say immigrants mostly fill jobs U.S. citizens do not want

You were the one preaching how we as a country should follow scriptures. But I wonder if you really believe that or if its actually political for you. Because what I have found is so many who claim we should be taking in and helping people who cross our borders and want to use scripture as an admonition to do so, only want to use it for that purpose. They are not using scripture to support outlawing things that scripture says we shouldn't be doing.

Preaching if that's what you want to call it. I'm no politician! And NOWHERE DID I CLAIM that we should be taking in and helping people across the border. You see there are those who need help, really need help / there are those who act like they need help / and there are those who are just looking for a free ride and personally I cannot make that distinction so I Claim nothing..........But if the government of the US decides to take in immigrants, ((the few dollars I pay in taxes isn't worth a hill of beans,)) but when combined with the working class of the over 300 million people of this country, there are people that can be helped not only American born, or immigrants, but other countries too after all America claims to be the richest country in the world and America spends billions aiding other countries and millions of American citizens lack and live in poverty conditions, some by choice but most can't be helped.

If someone comes to me and need help and it's in my power to help them I will !!!! I cannot help a country.

You either want the governemnt to follow scriptural admonition on all things or you should keep it to yourself. The Bible is not a club only to be used for your pet political positions.

You can assume what you think I want !!! You can even say as you have I should keep it to myself BUT I can say what I want to say, you don't like it or don't agree with it, I don't care. You can't stop me from speaking what I choose to speak, and when I speak and I try to speak respectfully.

No one says the Bible is a club are uses it as a club and it's not my pet political position.

It is not a treatise for how government should operate. It was written to teach Chriatians how they ought to be in their personal lives and for how the church itself ought to govern itself.

I know what the God and his word teaches _ thank you very much.

According to scripture we are not supposed to lie to anyone. Do you think we ought to follow scripture and ask government for laws against all lying.

I used that to prove a point. That often those who want to use scripture for certain things are often politically motivated to do so and not really interested in being consistent. And homosexuality is a quick way to determine where they really are. In the past I have used adultery as an example as well. Don't get hung up on the fact I didn't list every sinful act. My point is bigger than that.

Don't get hung up on facts you say and yet you seem to as well as assumptions. I live in a world where there are 8 billion other human beings living in also, over 2 billion profess to be Christians. Christians as well as all others are sinners always has been and will be until they leave this earth, if there was no sin there would be no need for redemption. And again I am no politician, no I am I trying to prove a political point, it boils down to humanity to truths. There are politicians who are Christians and use or even miss use the word of God as a driving point, but that is few, when you calculate the number of politicians.

To be clear, when it comes to asking, wanting or supporting the governement in following a scriptural standard, then we should not use it only for certain things we want, but should use ALL of scripture and not just the pet ones we like. That goes for all of us. If I am going to say that we should outlaw homosexuality because the Bible says its bad, then I should also support big government welfare taking care of all poor. We either accept all of scripture being followed by government or none of it. Picking and choosing is political and hypocritical.

You say to be clear .... To be clear I don't have a pet political agenda. I speak for truth and what I have written is truth.

I personally do my best to follow the ways of my Lord God Yeshua and I mess up and repent daily.

I HAVEN'T picked and choose any Scripture to live by or not to live by / to do or not to do that is your assumption.