Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

[Yarddog]

True. So who formally declared war after WW2? Hint: It wasnt Congress.

Joint Address to Congress Leading to a Declaration of War Against Japan (1941)

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[BCP1928]

Joint Address to Congress Leading to a Declaration of War Against Japan (1941)

EnlargeDownload Link Citation: "Day of Infamy" Speech by Franklin D. Roosevelt, December 8, 1941; SEN 77A-H1, Records of the United States Senate; Record Group 46; National Archives. View All Pages in the National Archives Catalog View Transcript On December 8, 1941, the day after the Japanese...

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According to that article it was Congress,

 

[durangodawood]

So you are told. Some have said the smugglers were trying to flip the boat over to salvage the drugs. Have any evidence to suggest otherwise?

Pathetic. They were already rendered harmless floating around a wrecked boat with dead bodies around them.

 

[Yarddog]

According to that article it was Congress,

Yep

 

[Bradskii]

Police and FBI are not entitled to use deadly force against terrorists just because they are positively identified.

So the FBI and the police in Louisiana must arrest drug smugglers. And they'll be granted due process, tried in a court of law and sentenced appropriately if found guilty. But the armed forces aren't governed by the same rules. They are entitled to use deadly force. So Marines in L.A. can summarily kill them. And come back an hour later to finish off any survivors.

Kinda messes with what you risibly assume are 'arguments' for killing people when you have the president send the military into US cities to deal with bad guys. There's no such thing as justice any more. Hey, that's for tree huggin' liberal's. There's no sense of morality. That's for suckers. It's exactly as the US is portrayed in One Second After. Barbarity. Ignore the law. Because, well darn it, you just can.

This will start to end in 3 years time. There'll be a long road back for everyone. But how some people deal with their conscience will remain a mystery.

 

[Bradskii]

With regard to morality and legality, assuming any part of the liberal narrative is true. My personal view is similar to a father who murdered his daughter's rapist, or killing the drug dealer that sold the drugs that killed his son.

Both of which are undeniably wrong. Period. Yes, it's understandable. I might do it myself. But it's very wrong indeed. And you can't agree with that?

 

[7thKeeper]

True. So who formally declared war after WW2? Hint: It wasnt Congress.

Do you enjoy being this wrong?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Joint Address to Congress Leading to a Declaration of War Against Japan (1941)

EnlargeDownload Link Citation: "Day of Infamy" Speech by Franklin D. Roosevelt, December 8, 1941; SEN 77A-H1, Records of the United States Senate; Record Group 46; National Archives. View All Pages in the National Archives Catalog View Transcript On December 8, 1941, the day after the Japanese...

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Okay? Would you like to reread my question and try again? With emphasis on "after WW2."

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Do you enjoy being this wrong?

Like I said to yarddog. Would you like to reread my question and try again? With emphasis on "after WW2. I know I struggle with reading comprehension at times, but dang.

 

[durangodawood]

Do you enjoy being this wrong?

Well, his question was about after WW2. Not for WW2.

Since then congress for sure has ceded war declaring authority to the exec branch, contrary to what the constitution requires.

I dont see how that excuses the president tho. He still swore an oath to uphold the constitution.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

According to that article it was Congress,

Like I said to yarddog. Would you like to reread my question and try again? With emphasis on "after WW2. Wow. Three people who did not read the question.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Well, his question was about after WW2. Not for WW2.

Since then congress for sure has ceded war declaring authority to the exec branch, contrary to what the constitution requires.

I dont see how that excuses the president tho. He still swore an oath to uphold the constitution.

You get a gold star for reading.

 

[7thKeeper]

Well, his question was about after WW2. Not for WW2.

Since then congress for sure has ceded war declaring authority to the exec branch, contrary to what the constitution requires.

I dont see how that excuses the president tho. He still swore an oath to uphold the constitution.

In that case, still Congress. The USA hasn't officially been at war with anyone in the technical sense after that from what I remember since, and please correct me if I remember wrong, USA hasn't declared a war even once after that.

 

[durangodawood]

You get a gold star for reading.

I will treasure it always.

 

[durangodawood]

In that case, still Congress. The USA hasn't officially been at war with anyone in the technical sense after that from what I remember since, and please correct me if I remember wrong, USA hasn't declared a war even once after that.

Yeah we just do war. We dont declare it.

My sense is that anything that would be considered an act of war against us should need congressional authorization if we do it to others - even if a "declaration of war" wouldnt be the specific instrument to use.

For example, there was an authorization for the Iraq War 2, as I recall. But I do wish it would be more formalized so Congress would have to "own it" more, and exert greater scrutiny on exec branch claims - which for Iraq2 were largely fraudulent.

 

[BCP1928]

Okay? Would you like to reread my question and try again? With emphasis on "after WW2."

The Korean war was fought as a UN police action authorized by the Security Council--it was not a declared war. The Vietnam war and Iraq I & II were authorized by Congressional resolution, although war was not formally declared.

 

[7thKeeper]

Yeah we just do war. We dont declare it.

My sense is that anything that would be considered an act of war against us should need congressional authorization if we do it to others - even if a "declaration of war" wouldnt be the specific instrument to use.

For example, there was an authorization for the Iraq War 2, as I recall. But I do wish it would be more formalized so Congress would have to "own it" more, and exert greater scrutiny on exec branch claims - which for Iraq2 were largely fraudulent.

Yes, Congress used a AUMF declaration for Iraq instead of formally declaring war, but it was still authorised by Congress. But yeah, it's essentially to just avoid the scrutiny that comes with being officially at war with someone, as stupid as that sounds.

 

[Servus]

I don't know of anyone who has claed that they were innocent but we also don't know if they were smugglers. The Navy hasn't provided any evidence.

It's speculation and perception. A: they were Narco-terrorist drug smugglers. B: they were innocent fishermen.

It's easy to prove if they were smugglers. They just need to show Congress how that was determined. They certainly weren't in US jurisdiction nor headed toward the US.

Yes it's a matter of how intelligence tracked the operation. I'd say that's more likely than it being "hey look there's a boat, kill em!".

I don't believe that the Navy is and many Naval officers have informed the Trump administration that these strikes are or may be illegal. The administration has to prove that they aren't murdering monsters by proving they were lawful.

I think it's less likely that those involved were operating as unthinking psychopaths blowing up boats for kicks.

They may or may not be true.

It's just giving them the benefit of the doubt based on available info. Innocent until proven guilty applies to the adminstraition and military as well. Seems folks condeming them didn't take that into consideration.

Trump has already proven that he is incompetent.

Whether Trump is competent or incompetent is subjective. Some say best president ever. Some say worst president ever. Others don't go to either extreme and see him as a good president in some ways and not so good in others, like any other president.

 

[7thKeeper]

Like I said to yarddog. Would you like to reread my question and try again? With emphasis on "after WW2. I know I struggle with reading comprehension at times, but dang.

It doesn't change the answer. It's still Congress, though technically the question itself is nonsensical because USA hasn't declared a war after.

 

[Servus]

You nor Trump has proven that these boat operators are guilty of any of these. That is why we have courts.

No one has proven the administration and military involved are guilty of anything either.