Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

[Oompa Loompa]

Many Christians are devoted and sincere in their faith, striving to serve Jesus wholeheartedly. However, some may interpret Jesus's identity based on personal perspectives or specific biblical passages, which may lead to varying understandings of who Jesus is.

Luke 5:32

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Matthew 9:13

“…I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Mark 2:17

“…They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Luke 19:10

“For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.”

1 Timothy 1:15

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”

Romans 5:8

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

John 3:17

“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

Matthew 11:28

“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

Luke 15:7

“…joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.”

Hebrews 7:25

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”

Yes. Jesus called sinners to repent. Now tell us what Jesus does to them if they do not?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The question here tho is not the morality of drug traffickers. Its the morality of those who shoot criminal suspects when they arent putting up resistance. And then shoot them again when shipwrecked.

Man, the deflection in this thread!

Again. They are not criminal suspects. They are enemy combatants in the Global War on Terrorism according to the Law of Armed Conflict. Some senators who have seen the footage say the two terrorists were actively trying to flip the boat over to salvage the drugs, considering them to still be in the fight. Do you have any evidence suggesting otherwise? No, you don't. Luckily the video is going to be released to the public. Unfortunately, I do not think it is going to make a difference because people will see whatever they want to see.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Yes. Jesus called sinners to repent. Now tell us what Jesus does to them if they do not?

Jesus commands his followers to love sinners, pray for their enemies, and share his message with the world. The focus should be on these teachings, rather than on what happens to those who reject Jesus.

Today's American evangelicals focus more on punishing those who reject Jesus, which not only misrepresents Christian teaching but also contradicts the purpose of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The police and the FBI would deal with them on US soil. And they are entitled to use deadly force against terrorists. So the questions still stand.

No, you dont out of it that easily. Police and FBI are not entitled to use deadly force against terrorists just because they are positively identified. Again, you do not understand as single thing I have said.

 

[BCP1928]

Again. They are not criminal suspects. They are enemy combatants in the Global War on Terrorism according to the Law of Armed Conflict. Some senators who have seen the footage say the two terrorists were actively trying to flip the boat over to salvage the drugs, considering them to still be in the fight.

I hadn't heard that they were still attempting to shoot back. Or that they had ever shot at all.

Do you have any evidence suggesting otherwise? No, you don't. Luckily the video is going to be released to the public. Unfortunately, I do not think it is going to make a difference because people will see whatever they want to see.

Two men in a wrecked boat is what we will see. Your disgusting and morally bankrupt attempt to make killing them into righteous act will not change anything.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Jesus commands his followers to love sinners, pray for their enemies, and share his message with the world. The focus should be on these teachings, rather than on what happens to those who reject Jesus.

Today's American evangelicals focus more on punishing those who reject Jesus, which not only misrepresents Christian teaching but also contradicts the purpose of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

Revelation 21:8 NIV
[8] But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”


Keep in mind, these are "red letter," meaning it is coming directly for Jesus' mouth. This is Jesus' attitude towards those to refuse to repent.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I hadn't heard that they were still attempting to shoot back. Or that they had ever shot at all.

They dont need to. According to the LoAC, ONLY POSITVE IDENTIFICATION IS REQURED! Meaning, you see them, you kill them.

 

[Servus]

You are completely failing to address the scenario I described above. Instead youre invoking prejudices citizen onlookers may have.

Your scenario was:

Killing of criminal suspects who werent putting up any resistance. And then going on to kill more when they are shipwrecked.

That's the same scenario I've been talking about all along. Until I know different for sure, I'm going to go with military intelligence was correct in their assessment that it was a boat loaded with Narco drugs that were going to be smuggled into the US by whatever methods Narco uses. I also agree with the Narco-terrorist stance. And view this as no different than any other drone strikes against terrorists that have taken place in the last 20+ years. I do not think Secretary Hegseth or Admiral Bradley gave the order to commit murder. Other's posting here see it the same or similarly.

But prejudices various other people may have are completely irrelevant to how I should understand the morality of the scenario I described. Lets stick with what happened and the morality of what happened.

What actually happened is not universally agreed upon. There are two versions of what happened. In one of the versions the administration and navy are amoral cold blooded murderers. And anyone who "defends" them and their actions is also bierift of morality, compassion, humanity and so on. Because the version of what happened that they hold to is the only acceptable version to them.

Side A: 'They don't agree with us so they are immoral'.

Side B: 'They're wrong about what happened'.

 

[durangodawood]

Again. They are not criminal suspects. They are enemy combatants in the Global War on Terrorism according to the Law of Armed Conflict.....

That is just a transparent fabrication and nothing more than presidential usurpation of congress's prerogative to declare war.

But they dont stop there. They circle back to take out the shipwrecked. This really doesnt look good. I can why the pres is now wavering on releasing the video.

 

[Say it aint so]

Revelation 21:8 NIV
[8] But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”


Keep in mind, these are "red letter," meaning it is coming directly for Jesus' mouth. This is Jesus' attitude towards those to refuse to repent.

Your LINK. No red letters for that verse. And the intent of Revelations was to those churches at that time.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

But they dont stop there. They circle back to take out the shipwrecked. This really doesnt look good. I can why the pres is now wavering on releasing the video.

So you are told. Some have said the smugglers were trying to flip the boat over to salvage the drugs. Have any evidence to suggest otherwise?

 

[BCP1928]

So you are told. Some have said the smugglers were trying to flip the boat over to salvage the drugs.

So what?

Have any evidence to suggest otherwise?

Sure, but it would definitely spoil your pathetic narrative.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Your LINK. No red letters for that verse. And the intent of Revelations was to those churches at that time.

I used the term "red letter" to focus on it being a direct quote from Jesus. But was Jesus only talking about those churches at that time?

Luke 13:3-5 NIV
[3] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. [4] Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? [5] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

Apparently, Jesus is making a universal statement that applies to everyone. Repent or perish. How will they perish you ask? Revelation 21:8.

Are you promoting universalism?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

So what?

Sure, but it would definitely spoil your pathetic narrative.

Show the evidence. Do you have the footage that only high ranking military officials and select senators have seen?

 

[BCP1928]

I used the term "red letter" to focus on it being a direct quote from Jesus. But was Jesus only talking about those churches at that time?

Luke 13:3-5 NIV
[3] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. [4] Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? [5] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

Apparently, Jesus is making a universal statement that applies to everyone. Repent or perish. How will they perish you ask? Revelation 21:8.

Are you promoting universalism?

Is that why you think it was a righteous act to kill those men in the water? That they were so evil that they had to be killed before they had an opportunity to repent?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Is that why you think it was a righteous act to kill those men in the water? That they were so evil that they had to be killed before they had an opportunity to repent?

Read the thread and stick with the context. The question that was raised was what Jesus' attitude towards narco terrorists. My simple answer was that if they dont repent, they will be thrown into a lake of burning sulfur. Many Christians love Jesus as the loving little lamb, but they forget that He will come again as a fearful lion.

With regard to morality and legality, assuming any part of the liberal narrative is true. My personal view is similar to a father who murdered his daughter's rapist, or killing the drug dealer that sold the drugs that killed his son.

 

[Say it aint so]

I used the term "red letter" to focus on it being a direct quote from Jesus. But was Jesus only talking about those churches at that time?

Luke 13:3-5 NIV
[3] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. [4] Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? [5] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

Apparently, Jesus is making a universal statement that applies to everyone. Repent or perish. How will they perish you ask? Revelation 21:8.

Are you promoting universalism?

I understand you used the red letters to denote Jesus speaking.
What I am saying is there are no red letters regarding the verse you quoted from Revelations denoted it came from Jesus.
What do you think Jesus meant by repent? And I mean Jesus, the red letter Jesus.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Revelation 21:8 NIV
[8] But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”


Keep in mind, these are "red letter," meaning it is coming directly for Jesus' mouth. This is Jesus' attitude towards those to refuse to repent.

I do not dispute any of the scripture you have pointed. that is why as a Christian, I am committed to following Christ, adhering to His commands, and practicing His teachings. These include loving and praying for one's enemies, feeding the hungry, providing water to the thirsty, offering shelter to strangers, clothing those in need, caring for the sick, visiting prisoners, supporting widows, advocating for justice for the vulnerable and fatherless, and assisting immigrants.

That teaching also involves telling those who have not been saved that God so loved “the sinner; homosexual, gay, lesbian, transgender, drug dealer who is carrying drugs in the boat, and those who aborting infant babies or those who is promoting Sharia law and beheading other human in the name of the other gods” so much that He sent His only Son to die on the cross.

you on the other hand want to point finger to few scripture which tell others that they are going to hell”. That is anything but biblical teaching.

 

[Yarddog]

No Christian I've read accepts the two innocent fishermen murdered scenario.

I don't know of anyone who has claed that they were innocent but we also don't know if they were smugglers. The Navy hasn't provided any evidence.

That's what they keep getting accused of by those who do accept that scenario.

It's easy to prove if they were smugglers. They just need to show Congress how that was determined. They certainly weren't in US jurisdiction nor headed toward the US.

While failing to acknowledge others are leaning towards the other scenario that the administration and navy aren't demonic murdering monsters.

I don't believe that the Navy is and many Naval officers have informed the Trump administration that these strikes are or may be illegal. The administration has to prove that they aren't murdering monsters by proving they were lawful.

It's not a sin or a moral failing to give the benefit of the doubt that the administration and Navy aren't being careless and homicidal.

They may or may not be true.

Those that hate Trump basically NEED it to be that way. They MUST be incompetent monsters.

Trump has already proven that he is incompetent.

 

[Yarddog]

Oh? What attitude would Jesus have towards those who deliver poisons to kids, rape them, and turn them into sex slaves? Weaponizing empathy does not work with me.

You nor Trump has proven that these boat operators are guilty of any of these. That is why we have courts.