Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

[BPPLEE]

Non

In reality, it quickly became clear that the "wall" (actually a metal fence) was easily defeated by a tool available in Home Depot stores and elsewhere.

And the wall, in many places was a joke:

Over ten billion dollars thrown away for nothing; here, a pair of pliers would have been enough to defeat it.. Steve Bannon made some money on it, though:

Steve Bannon, President Trump’s former White House chief strategist, admitted Tuesday to defrauding New Yorkers who donated to his “We Build the Wall” online fundraiser — but will serve no prison time as part of the plea deal.

Bannon, 71, wearing his signature dusted brown jacket, pleaded guilty to one count of scheme to defraud in the $15 million border wall fundraising scam before Manhattan Supreme Court Judge April Newbauer.

Trump pardoned him, of course, but these were state crimes, so I suppose he's still a convicted felon like Trump. Birds of a feather.

Non responsive. This is just a red herring

 

[The Barbarian]

The Barbarian said:


In reality, it quickly became clear that the "wall" (actually a metal fence) was easily defeated by a tool available in Home Depot stores and elsewhere.

And the wall, in many places was a joke:

Over ten billion dollars thrown away for nothing; here, a pair of pliers would have been enough to defeat it.. Steve Bannon made some money on it, though:

Steve Bannon, President Trump’s former White House chief strategist, admitted Tuesday to defrauding New Yorkers who donated to his “We Build the Wall” online fundraiser — but will serve no prison time as part of the plea deal.

Bannon, 71, wearing his signature dusted brown jacket, pleaded guilty to one count of scheme to defraud in the $15 million border wall fundraising scam before Manhattan Supreme Court Judge April Newbauer.

Trump pardoned him, of course, but these were state crimes, so I suppose he's still a convicted felon like Trump. Birds of a feather.

Non responsive.

Actually, it's non-functional. It was an expensive failure. Only Trump's friends profited from it, without affecting illegal immigration at all.

This is just a red herring

If so, it was probably a bad idea to bring up illegal immigration control, then. I'm just pointing out the facts.

 

[BPPLEE]

The Barbarian said:


In reality, it quickly became clear that the "wall" (actually a metal fence) was easily defeated by a tool available in Home Depot stores and elsewhere.

And the wall, in many places was a joke:

Over ten billion dollars thrown away for nothing; here, a pair of pliers would have been enough to defeat it.. Steve Bannon made some money on it, though:

Steve Bannon, President Trump’s former White House chief strategist, admitted Tuesday to defrauding New Yorkers who donated to his “We Build the Wall” online fundraiser — but will serve no prison time as part of the plea deal.

Bannon, 71, wearing his signature dusted brown jacket, pleaded guilty to one count of scheme to defraud in the $15 million border wall fundraising scam before Manhattan Supreme Court Judge April Newbauer.

Trump pardoned him, of course, but these were state crimes, so I suppose he's still a convicted felon like Trump. Birds of a feather.


Actually, it's non-functional. It was an expensive failure. Only Trump's friends profited from it, without affecting illegal immigration at all.


If so, it was probably a bad idea to bring up illegal immigration control, then. I'm just pointing out the facts.

And I pointed out the statistics which you ignored

 

[The Barbarian]

And I pointed out the statistics which you ignored

They don't seem to support your claim. And the reality on the ground certainly doesn't. An easily-penetrated fence that doesn't even cover the ground in some cases. No wonder it failed to stop illegal entry. I see that Trump has since abandoned the fence and returned to the things Obama and Biden were doing; more boots on the ground. That works. What doesn't work is ICE randomly attacking people for looking brown...

Indigenous actor Elaine Miles says ICE called her tribal ID ‘fake’ ​

Elaine Miles was walking to a bus stop in Redmond to go to Target, she said, when four men wearing masks and vests with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement label stepped out of two black SUVs with no front plates and pressed her for her ID.

Miles, an Indigenous actor best known for her roles in “Northern Exposure,” “Smoke Signals,” “Wyvern” and “The Last of Us,” handed them her tribal ID from the Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation in Oregon.

Federal government agencies recognize tribal ID as a valid form of identification, and Miles has used it to travel back and forth to Canada and Mexico without any issues.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/indigenous-actress-elaine-miles-says-ice-called-her-tribal-id-fake/

Racial profiling isn't going to help.

 

[BPPLEE]

More distractions. The statistics speak for themselves. You're just dodging.

 

[BPPLEE]

Data shows a stark contrast between the administrations. Under President Trump (FY 2017–2021), encounters were relatively low and stable, averaging under 500,000 annually, influenced by pandemic restrictions like Title 42. Under President Biden (FY 2021–2025), encounters surged to record highs, averaging over 2 million per year through 2023, driven by global migration pressures, policy perceptions, and post-pandemic recovery—though they declined sharply in late 2024 due to new restrictions. The unauthorized immigrant population grew by about 3.5 million from 2021–2023 (reaching 14 million total), with net international migration hitting 2.8 million in 2024 alone. Under Trump's second term (starting January 2025), encounters have plummeted to historic lows (e.g., under 8,000 per month by October 2025), with zero releases into the U.S. and increased deportations. Key Data ComparisonThe table below summarizes annual southwest border encounters (the primary indicator of illegal immigration attempts) based on CBP data. Figures are fiscal year (October–September) unless noted; Biden's FY 2025 data is partial (through December 2025).

Fiscal Year	President	Southwest Border Encounters	Notes
2017	Trump	303,916	Low due to pre-pandemic enforcement.
2018	Trump	396,579	Stable; family separations policy implemented.
2019	Trump	851,508	Peak under Trump; asylum restrictions tightened.
2020	Trump	400,651	Sharp drop from Title 42 expulsions (COVID policy).
Trump Total/Avg.	2,952,654 / ~738,000	Title 42 expelled ~1.5 million overall (mostly in 2020).
2021	Biden	1,659,206	Surge begins; Title 42 continues but recidivism rises to 27%.
2022	Biden	2,206,436	Record high; ~2.5 million released pending processing.
2023	Biden	2,475,669	Peak year; 3.2 million total encounters including ports.
2024	Biden	~1,800,000 (est.)	Decline after June asylum restrictions; still ~4x Trump's avg.
2025 (partial)	Biden/Trump	~500,000 (Biden); ~150,000 (Trump, Jan–Dec est.)	Sharp drop under Trump to <10,000/month by mid-year.
Biden Total/Avg. (through 2024)	~8.1 million / ~2 million	~11 million total encounters over 4 years; ~4.4 million repatriations (including 3 million Title 42 expulsions).

 

[The Barbarian]

The numbers, as others have noted, have more to do with the fact that the United States did not adequately prepare or adjust to the pandemic.

Trump isn't to blame for that, other than his initial failure to take action on it.

 

[BPPLEE]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/07/us/politics/biden-immigration-trump.html

The New York Times

How Biden Ignored Warnings and Lost Americans’ Faith in Immigration​

Biden was warned his soft-on-immigration proposals would cause ‘chaos’ — but he ignored it, damning memo reveals

Former President Joe Biden was warned by advisers that his immigration plans could lead to “chaos” at the US border — but he ignored them, a newly uncovered memo reveals.

nypost.com

US NEWS

Biden was warned his soft-on-immigration proposals would cause ‘chaos’ — but he ignored it, damning memo reveals​

President Joe Biden was warned by advisers that his immigration plans could lead to “chaos” at the US border — but he ignored them, a newly uncovered memo reveals.

His team doled out the advice to Biden when he was still campaigning against President Trump back in 2020, the New York Times reported.

“A potential surge could create chaos and a humanitarian crisis, overwhelm processing capacities and imperil the agenda of the new administration,” Biden’s advisers wrote.

 

[The Barbarian]

“A potential surge could create chaos and a humanitarian crisis, overwhelm processing capacities and imperil the agenda of the new administration,” Biden’s advisers wrote.

But it didn't.
President Biden’s immigration record from 2021–2025 combined an early shift to prosecutorial discretion and humanitarian programs with later, tighter asylum limits and accelerated removals: the administration issued prosecutorial-discretion priorities in September 2021 and carried out roughly 1.1–1.5 million deportations/returns through early 2024 while focusing removals on recent border crossers and public-safety risks [1] [2]. After Title 42 ended, the administration layered tools — CBP One, a “Circumvention of Lawful Pathways” rule, a June 2024 executive order setting deportation triggers, and limits on asylum between ports of entry — that substantially narrowed access to asylum and increased removals [3] [1] [4] [5].

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/biden-immigration-asylum-deportations-2021-2025-a4ec51

So Biden was right, yet again.

 

[The Barbarian]

Let's get back to the real Charlie Kirk...

Charlie Kirk Did Not Like Black People. He Called MLK “Awful” and George Floyd a “Scumbag”​

Nationwide — Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old conservative activist and Turning Point USA founder who was shot and killed Wednesday during an appearance at Utah Valley University, repeatedly made remarks that revealed deep hostility toward Black people and toward civil rights progress in America.

In early 2024, Kirk drew heavy backlash for saying, “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’” He made the comment during a podcast conversation about airline diversity hiring practices, sparking outrage online. Many saw the remark as promoting a harmful stereotype—that Black professionals are inherently less competent—and as a clear example of the racial undertones that defined his commentary. Critics argued it showed exactly how Kirk used race to stoke division among his largely white, conservative audience.

Charlie Kirk Did Not Like Black People. He Called MLK “Awful” and George Floyd a “Scumbag”

Nationwide -- Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old conservative activist and Turning Point USA founder who was shot and killed Wednesday during an appearance at Utah Valley University, repeatedly made remarks that revealed deep hostility toward Black people and toward civil rights progress in America...

blacknews.com

We're all sinners; we all have our own struggles with evil. This was Charlie Kirk's. He wasn't a devil; he wasn't an angel. He was just a guy struggling with his own demons.

Like the rest of us.

 

[BPPLEE]

But it didn't.
President Biden’s immigration record from 2021–2025 combined an early shift to prosecutorial discretion and humanitarian programs with later, tighter asylum limits and accelerated removals: the administration issued prosecutorial-discretion priorities in September 2021 and carried out roughly 1.1–1.5 million deportations/returns through early 2024 while focusing removals on recent border crossers and public-safety risks [1] [2]. After Title 42 ended, the administration layered tools — CBP One, a “Circumvention of Lawful Pathways” rule, a June 2024 executive order setting deportation triggers, and limits on asylum between ports of entry — that substantially narrowed access to asylum and increased removals [3] [1] [4] [5].

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/biden-immigration-asylum-deportations-2021-2025-a4ec51

So Biden was right, yet again.

Biden Total/Avg. (through 2024)

~8.1 million / ~2 million

~11 million total encounters over 4 years; ~4.4 million repatriations (including 3 million Title 42 expulsions).

Again you cite the EO he issued after 3 and a half years of telling us it was out of his reach.
It lowered crossings by 40% it was just 3 and a half years too late.
The border was a disaster under Biden

 

[The Barbarian]

So Biden was right, yet again.

Biden Total/Avg. (through 2024)

~8.1 million / ~2 million

~11 million total encounters over 4 years; ~4.4 million repatriations (including 3 million Title 42 expulsions).

Yep. No "humanitarian crisis." No "overwhelmed capacities."
Biden was right, yet again.

 

[BPPLEE]

So Biden was right, yet again.

Yep. No "humanitarian crisis." No "overwhelmed capacities."
Biden was right, yet again.

Again you cite the EO he issued after 3 and a half years of telling us it was out of his reach.
It lowered crossings by 40% it was just 3 and a half years too late.
The border was a disaster under Biden, everyone has seen the videos and read the statistics.
To claim otherwise is delusional

 

[The Barbarian]

Again you cite the EO he issued after 3 and a half years of telling us it was out of his reach.
It lowered crossings by 40% it was just 3 and a half years too late.
The border was a disaster under Biden, everyone has seen the videos and read the statistics.
To claim otherwise is delusional

There was no "humanitarian crisis." There were no "overwhelmed capacities." Those predictions never came true, as you numbers indicate.

 

[BPPLEE]

There was no "humanitarian crisis." There were no "overwhelmed capacities." Those predictions never came true, as you numbers indicate.

 

[BPPLEE]

 

[BPPLEE]

 

[The Barbarian]

There was no "humanitarian crisis." There were no "overwhelmed capacities." Those predictions never came true, as you numbers indicate.

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What happened to all those numbers? No longer facts?

 

[BPPLEE]

There was no "humanitarian crisis." There were no "overwhelmed capacities." Those predictions never came true, as you numbers indicate.

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What happened to all those numbers? No longer facts?

Apparently you can't comprehend the numbers and you are rewriting history. Have fun in your world

 

[BPPLEE]

There was no "humanitarian crisis." There were no "overwhelmed capacities." Those predictions never came true, as you numbers indicate.

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What happened to all those numbers? No longer facts?

Border Encounters/Apprehensions: Trump vs. BidenCBP data shows encounters under Biden were 4–5 times higher on average than under Trump's first term. Peaks hit over 370,000 in a single month (December 2023), driven by global migration pressures, ended Title 42, and parole programs. Trump's second term has seen historic lows, with monthly southwest border apprehensions averaging under 10,000—96% below Biden's average.
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