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The primary cause of America's social-justice violence

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A year has passed since Luigi Mangione allegedly pulled the trigger on UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. When arrested, Mangione received a tidal wave of sympathy that emanated everywhere from online forums and social media to the streets of Manhattan. People across the country celebrated the accused killer as a quasi-folk hero who struck a blow against what they saw as the vile institution of American healthcare.

Ed Davis, a former Boston police commissioner who led the police response to the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, saw the outpouring of support for Mangione and remarked, “I’ve been shocked by it. It’s actually troubling to see it, and I really am surprised that people are reacting that way considering the tragic loss here and the violence of what happened.”

The support for Mangione hasn’t cooled down over the past year, as evidenced by a $1.4 million crowd-sourced legal defense fund and the continued displays of public support that appeared at his court hearings this month. Jeff Goodwin, a New York University professor who studies social movements, said, “He had the chutzpah to actually do something spectacular, which certain people find attractive and courageous.”

I’m not the only one disturbed by people describing murder as being “spectacular” and “attractive” — Heather Mac Donald, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, stated: “The only question after the assassination and its immediate celebration is: What the heck is going on with America’s moral compass?”

Mangione’s celebrators brought to my mind what Paul spoke about centuries ago: “They were fully aware of God’s death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too” (Rom. 1:32).

Someone else who sees this in our culture is Croatian theologian Miroslav Volf, who makes a connection with a disbelief in God and the kind of social justice violence we see when he writes: “Most people who insist on God’s ‘nonviolence’ cannot resist using violence themselves (or tacitly sanctioning its use by others).”

Volf then makes an excellent point when he notes the important distinction between Christianity and the secular culture’s methods for pursuing justice: “The practice of non-violence requires belief in divine vengeance.”

Think about that.

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A year has passed since Luigi Mangione allegedly pulled the trigger on UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. When arrested, Mangione received a tidal wave of sympathy that emanated everywhere from online forums and social media to the streets of Manhattan. People across the country celebrated the accused killer as a quasi-folk hero who struck a blow against what they saw as the vile institution of American healthcare.

Ed Davis, a former Boston police commissioner who led the police response to the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, saw the outpouring of support for Mangione and remarked, “I’ve been shocked by it. It’s actually troubling to see it, and I really am surprised that people are reacting that way considering the tragic loss here and the violence of what happened.”

The support for Mangione hasn’t cooled down over the past year, as evidenced by a $1.4 million crowd-sourced legal defense fund and the continued displays of public support that appeared at his court hearings this month. Jeff Goodwin, a New York University professor who studies social movements, said, “He had the chutzpah to actually do something spectacular, which certain people find attractive and courageous.”

I’m not the only one disturbed by people describing murder as being “spectacular” and “attractive” — Heather Mac Donald, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, stated: “The only question after the assassination and its immediate celebration is: What the heck is going on with America’s moral compass?”

Mangione’s celebrators brought to my mind what Paul spoke about centuries ago: “They were fully aware of God’s death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too” (Rom. 1:32).

Someone else who sees this in our culture is Croatian theologian Miroslav Volf, who makes a connection with a disbelief in God and the kind of social justice violence we see when he writes: “Most people who insist on God’s ‘nonviolence’ cannot resist using violence themselves (or tacitly sanctioning its use by others).”

Volf then makes an excellent point when he notes the important distinction between Christianity and the secular culture’s methods for pursuing justice: “The practice of non-violence requires belief in divine vengeance.”

Think about that.

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“The practice of non-violence requires the belief in God’s vengeance.”

Wow!

Those who do not believe in God thus cannot be non-violent. Maybe a rare individual, but generally we can expect violence from them if they feel it opportune.

I am amazed at how many women want to marry Mangione. Creepy.
 
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“The practice of non-violence requires the belief in God’s vengeance.”

Wow!

Those who do not believe in God thus cannot be non-violent. Maybe a rare individual, but generally we can expect violence from them if they feel it opportune.

I am amazed at how many women want to marry Mangione. Creepy.
Prison groupies. There are many.
 
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Prison groupies. There are many.
I've seen everyday, law-abiding women idolizing him... and the ones who speak on it, they appear to have one colossal thing in common;
Lost a loved one due to- or lost some part of their anatomy due to- the decision making of United Healthcare and similar insurance companies.
 
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I've seen everyday, law-abiding women idolizing him... and the ones who speak on it, they appear to have one colossal thing in common;
Lost a loved one due to- or lost some part of their anatomy due to- the decision making of United Healthcare and similar insurance companies.
That could be part of it but I know all of them have not experienced that. The fixation on criminals for some has been going on for a very long time.
 
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The fixation on criminals for some has been going on for a very long time.
Yes, very true...
It's why I tried to address this by bouncing off of your accurate post when I disseminated the issue's variable element, and not the constant element applying to all infamous/polarized murder defendants.
 
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A year has passed since Luigi Mangione allegedly pulled the trigger on UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. When arrested, Mangione received a tidal wave of sympathy that emanated everywhere from online forums and social media to the streets of Manhattan. People across the country celebrated the accused killer as a quasi-folk hero who struck a blow against what they saw as the vile institution of American healthcare.

Ed Davis, a former Boston police commissioner who led the police response to the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, saw the outpouring of support for Mangione and remarked, “I’ve been shocked by it. It’s actually troubling to see it, and I really am surprised that people are reacting that way considering the tragic loss here and the violence of what happened.”

The support for Mangione hasn’t cooled down over the past year, as evidenced by a $1.4 million crowd-sourced legal defense fund and the continued displays of public support that appeared at his court hearings this month. Jeff Goodwin, a New York University professor who studies social movements, said, “He had the chutzpah to actually do something spectacular, which certain people find attractive and courageous.”

I’m not the only one disturbed by people describing murder as being “spectacular” and “attractive” — Heather Mac Donald, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, stated: “The only question after the assassination and its immediate celebration is: What the heck is going on with America’s moral compass?”

Mangione’s celebrators brought to my mind what Paul spoke about centuries ago: “They were fully aware of God’s death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too” (Rom. 1:32).

Someone else who sees this in our culture is Croatian theologian Miroslav Volf, who makes a connection with a disbelief in God and the kind of social justice violence we see when he writes: “Most people who insist on God’s ‘nonviolence’ cannot resist using violence themselves (or tacitly sanctioning its use by others).”

Volf then makes an excellent point when he notes the important distinction between Christianity and the secular culture’s methods for pursuing justice: “The practice of non-violence requires belief in divine vengeance.”

Think about that.

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This is not a simple situation which is all black and white. There are many shades of gray involved with this. One side may say, "there is no excuse for killing a man like Thompson" but another side may say "there is no excuse for Thompson's company denying claims which may have led to the deaths of those insured by his company."

Who does God punish? Who does God forgive?
 
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This is not a simple situation which is all black and white. There are many shades of gray involved with this. One side may say, "there is no excuse for killing a man like Thompson" but another side may say "there is no excuse for Thompson's company denying claims which may have led to the deaths of those insured by his company."

Who does God punish? Who does God forgive?
God will forgive the ones who have given themselves to Christ.

Acts don't save, acts don't condemn.

Belief saves, unbelief condemns.
 
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“The practice of non-violence requires the belief in God’s vengeance.”

Wow!

Those who do not believe in God thus cannot be non-violent. Maybe a rare individual, but generally we can expect violence from them if they feel it opportune.

I am amazed at how many women want to marry Mangione. Creepy.
That concept would include Hinduism, which may the the reason their democracy has every reason to fail...but doesn't.
 
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God will forgive the ones who have given themselves to Christ.
I agree but we don't know who these are or if and when people give themselves to Christ. That is why pray for all because vengeance is the Lord's.

Paul was a prosecutor before Jesus revealed himself to Paul. Why did Jesus choose that moment? Faith is trusting that God has a plan and he will save whom ever he wishes whenever he chooses.
 
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