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No, they’re all cool. What reason would I have to tell them anything?
If they are armed and are a danger to another person, like if they just shot someone and are running away while armed, the police may be justified in using deadly force
I am not American so I could not vote lol. I am explaining how there is a deranged level of bias and partisan politics against Trump and by extenstion his admin and supporters.
What factual links.
It was not an impartial jury or not even an impartial who clearly hated Trump from his rhetoric about him. It was a witch hunt and no other person would have been subject to such attention and deranged levels of scrutiny.
So we have approaching 100 arrests in relation to the hidden fraud the Dems reined over and much more will come out. That in itself shows they are willing to hide stuff and lie to ensure they keep power.
Well you know about the massive fraud, that alone blows anything said about Trump out of the water. More will come out implicating Dems overseeing massive fraud and criminal activities.
Now they were not. The Dems sat on them for years and years. They knew before it was a thing lol.
Thats what I am saying. Your complaining about Trump but absolutely silent on the the same sins that Biden and others have done. Its hypocracy and disqualifies anyone as untrustworthy.
Actually no, the support for immigration policy is high.
No body cares that a politician is in Epsteins company many times. But when they get the whiff of Trump anywhere near him and all hell breaks loose. Its hypocracy at its worse. There is no credibility. I don;y trust them.
More conspiracies. You will go to any lengths to get Trump.
Lol it was you who brought up Trumps fraud as a way to show how bad he was. I am doing the same and showing that those who accuse him have done much worse.
Thats what we would like to know. Mainly the ones funding the party. Like Soros and others. But also Obama and other faceless people behind the scenes who were calling the shots while Biden was incompetent and incoherent to do so.
What the gas lighting of a nation over Bidens competency. That in itself tells us a lot.
From what I understand there has been some similar fraud found in California. Some States are refusing to hand over their books. Have they got something to hide. We will see. But it seems strange that they want to deny access to check if there is fraud.
Lol are you living on Mars. This shows the bias that you cannot see any lol.
www.grassley.senate.gov
www.judiciary.senate.gov
judiciary.house.gov
I just mentioned a few above. Theres many. See the thing is while Biden was in no one could investigate. But now Trump is in they are finding all sorts of corruption. Watch it come out. Thats why I say be careful about throwing stones in glass houses.
That's exactly his point. You don't really care where he's is from. You were just trying to gatekeep him out if the discussion.
No you don't when it comes to terrorism. Did Biden and Obama get a guilty verdict in a court of law before they took action against terrorist. Did Isreal. If we waiterd for that then the terrorist win. They don't play by our rules in the first place.
Yes you do when it comes to terror. They are not innocent. That you frame it that way shows your bias.
What, the biggest fraud case in US history is nothing. This is really biased.
Was he fine as president lol. Or are you going to continue the gas lighting.
Just did.
www.whitehouse.gov
Not at all. My comments don’t stop anyone from posting. You’re just coming to his defense because you agree with his rantings. If he wants dismiss people for their biases, I can do that too.
Indeed.
Yep that's the overused accusation question running though these threads. As I explained elsewhere, that accusation only fits the accuser's perspective, not the person they are accusing. It should be blatantly obvious that those who disagree with you and others, do not share their prospective. In other words they don't see it that way.
Your just doubling down on the bad mouthing and identity politics and adding fuel to the fire. Keep creating new unfounded narratives to discredit Trump because people are so fixated on hating him. Its glaringly obvious in that you cannot help mention hin every time you speak lol. You just pile on the accusations and demeaning remarks.
Well there is substance now.
Your assumption was more that 'a boat was put out of play'. You implied that the boat being put out of play was in an innocent situation which should not have been attacked. You did not make a neutral assumption of innocence or guilt. You assumed guit in the language you are using.
And the same people who are privy to the actual intel state that nothing illegal was done. It has been the same protocol used in these situations for past presidents and military and it has never been questioned.
So, that doesn't mean they were not trying. This is what I mean. You take 'no radio signal' and immediate assume innocence. Every single little bit of info interpreted as guilty. Its blantantly biased and you can see it in the particular words used.
See your doing ot again. Using the idea of a 'capsized boat' in isolation as though it could be some fisherman stranded to imply a certain meaning to "capsized boat". Its blantant bias.
But that did not happen did it. Neither happened. The drug boats were not stopped and the drug problem got worse on the streets. A double wrong. So if the stopping of the drug boats saves 1,000 lives is that good.
Thats unreal. Its too late and in situations like terrorism there is no stopping them. For evey one you stop 10 replace them. Its like saying that if we tell Hamas very sternly or place a sanction on them that they will happily stop.
Thats like we keep pouring water into a bucket with a hole in it. The entire system is broken and it doesn't work. The softly, softly approach that was taken in the name of interdiction is what caused the problem. Now it time for tougher measures to stop it before it completely undermines things.
Oh I see so let the terrorist call for help and wait until the backup comes and then engage. Hum I am glad you are not leading the miliary.
I did not realise they were taking drug boats out back then. Whatever they did it sure did not work because they kept coming and increasing. Its funny as this is the same government who let in 20 million unchecked people who are now causing much chaos.
I have nothing against the Dems and want them to be at their best to make for a good and health democracy. But they are not at their best in recent years and have become radicalised. Maybe thats a sign of the times and identity politics. .
Poor old Barak.
You don't know the intell. It may be that they have tracked all the intell and know exactly what processes they were dealing with and how these drug were making their way to the US. You don't know and yet you are claiming to know like you are one of the agents lol.
That video is just the media release version. They also have the classified versions which will have all sorts of intell and angles ect.
Go back and look at the terror hits by Biden and Obama on buildings and vehicles. They often had two and three strikes at the same targets. This is playing general from an armchair and applying one rule to some and not others.
You are straight up misrepresenting my position, here. To me it is irrelevant if they are innocent or not (of what?). Once their boat is incapacitated, they have a right to stay afloat and call for help.
Yes, killing those in peril is bad in my eyes.
What second strikes on an incapacitated smuggling boat, have been done earlier?
Take it up with them.
Innocence or not is irrelevant to me, how many times do I have to tell you?
Only in the sense that I feel that at sea, persons are to be helped if they are in need.
No.
I have already stated that I think they even have a right to call for help.
You are the one talking about guilt and innocence, not me.
Like what words?
Smuggler or fisherman, makes no difference to me.
How is this relevant for ordering a second strike on an incapacitated boat?
Talk to them then, why do you say this is response to me?
Why are you saying this in response to me? I didn't create the problem.
They didn't, they interdicted them.
Relevance?
I can only go with the information we have. The video of the second strike hasn't been released to the media (yet!), have it?
I don't care if you think they are as bad. I'm no Democrat. I just think it is really really bad to target individuals clinging to a capsized boat, regardless if they are fishermen or smugglers.
So does the military in interpreting this as still engaging. But this is not how you framed things. You kept framing this as a couple of people in peril and that those in peril should be saved. You already qualified this as a boating accident.
But you exclude the context and are making judgements on this. If killing two terrorist who are in peril because they themselves put themselves in that situation and despite being in peril were still trying to engage in continuing the same thing that they were being stopped for. Gathering the drugs to be collected and then sent on their way to kill Americans.
No I am talking about other incidents on attacking terrorists by past administrations. There are plenty of examples of second and third strikes on terrorist targets and where survivors were in peril as part of completing the mission.
The framing of whether it is justified or not is about whether the targets were innocents in an innocent situation or guilty and part of a situation that justified the action. Of course its relevant. You keep saying they were just a couple of innocents smuggling drugs to feed their family on the weekend.
Hum, I am glad you said you feel this as feelings are not a good indication of what is right and wrong.
I love it how armchair soldiers can make these claims. So if those in the live action in the fog or war determine that the same radioing and gathering the poison to continue their mission was still trying to engage and they needed to stop that mission altogether. If others (feel) this is the right thing to do. Is that feeling ok like your feeling.
Hum you keep saying they were just innocent people in the water that the military commander should not have killed. By saying they "should" not be killed you are already qualifying their action as wrong.
Like "should" lol. For example "Everyone that is in peril at sea, should be helped".
Thats sad. If the drug trade coming into the US is now been deemed a national secuirity issue and the Narco has been deemed terrorist does that make a difference.
Have you been part of the military facing terrorists.
As we can see you just acknowledge that these moral complaints are your feelings or as you said IMO. So therefore this is about how people see morals and what they believe is moral.
But your the one ussing it as a solution. As the moral thing to do. That this way is better.
But its different now. Its become a major national an dinternation issue along with immigration, crime, gangs, terrorism ect. Often all this is intertwined and thats the issue.
Were you not just dismissing all the context of a military scenario combating terrorist to a couple of blokes fishing. You said its irrelevant as to whether it was drug smugglers (terrorists) and fishermen.
And now it has been assessed this this will not work as far as the organised criminal and terror activities of the Narcos. A Narco State in operation to import drugs to the US with connections to crime and terrorist groups.
Allowing unvetted illegals allows the same kind of people who are importanting the drugs. The same mentality and organised crime and terror against the US.
Yet people are accusing Hegseth or murder and war crimes. The usual suspects jumping the gun to create false narratives at every opportunity to get Trump and his admin. Actually some Dems were accusing Trump himself of muder. I guess that goes with Nazi and all the rest.
And other people think its even worse that these terrorist export poison to kill 1,000s and destroy the US society.
Yes.
No.
No, they are still to be rescued.
They were hanging on a capsized boat.
It is because the context doesn't make it right. It is never right to kill those shipwrecked.
Yes, because I don't think the fact that they are drug runners is relevant to if they deserve to be struck again.
Both Tom Cotton and Adam Smith agreed on that the boat was capsized.
The only fact needed is that their boat was incapacitated.
And it is relevant how?
Quote me saying they were innocent or stop lying.
Quote me saying they were innocent or stop lying
Let's take it to court and see.
Quote me saying they were innocent or stop lying.
Did I use should?
No, you fish them up regardless.
I've been part of the navy yes. Helping people in peril at sea. Facing drug runners no, since that is a police, coast guard and customs matter.
I don't advocate for allowing the drug boats do anything, it is the second strike I have the most problem with. Have the flow of cocaine even diminished since these strikes began?
Of course. I'm certain there are many people that sadly think it is ok to blow narco-terrorists up if they are without a vessel at sea.
This is a false dilemma, the second strike saved no extra lives in the US or Venezuela.
What reduced crime and the peak of the opioid epidemic had already been passed in 2023?
No, I know that the US calls them narco-terrorists. It is still not acceptable to observe them for 40-50 minutes with them not righting their boat and then strike them again.
Yes, you help first and let the courts figure out culpability.
Take it up with them, not me.
