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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

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I must have missed when legal experts on the September 2nd strike said that the second attack was ok. I tried searching for it, but found mostly articles that said it was illegal. Do you have a link?

Edited to add. I found a CNN clip.
There you go then. All this jumping the gun stuff is typical of those who hate Trump and his admin. Lets just let all the facts come out.

What I find telling is that Trump haters are quite willing to crucify him and his admin at the drop of a hat making all sorts of crazy claims. Its their MO and its happened time and time again. They did it to Kirk and others. Attacked Musk and his business just because he was associated with Trump. Then they did it to Hegseth.

I don;t trust one word the legacy media and Trump haters say.
 
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There you go then. All this jumping the gun stuff is typical of those who hate Trump and his admin. Lets just let all the facts come out.

What I find telling is that Trump haters are quite willing to crucify him and his admin at the drop of a hat making all sorts of crazy claims. Its their MO and its happened time and time again. They did it to Kirk and others. Attacked Musk and his business just because he was associated with Trump. Then they did it to Hegseth.

I don;t trust one word the legacy media and Trump haters say.
Who jumped the gun? I asked for clarification.
 
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What is the hidden assumption that turns it into a loaded question?
Loaded questions also carry a premise. Yours was obvious. It was basically an accusation in the form of a question that was asked in bad faith.
 
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Now the legacy media is your source. lol.

Did not you just rationalise why drug cartels are thinking about the trade they are in. You were claiming to know whats in their minds and what motivates them.

The head of the operation who was the person who gave the go ahead and a military officer was informed by the legal expert about whether it was ok to make the second strike.

Based on the lead officers determination they were not shipwrecked men but active in the fight to save the cargo and radio through for backup. This being an armchair intelligence officer without being in the game. Moralising from the sidelines.

Thats because the Nazis were insane lol. Completely different. They are trying to stop the bad guys. The military are not the bad guys. This is like the Isrealis being conflated with Hamas.

Then show me the intelligence that shows this has nothing to do with terrorism and a national security issue.

Sorry I mean with the lead officer advising on the monitor.

Well that is what the head officer who actually made the strike and was advised said. He should know.

Lol why are others not allowed to be interested in what happens in the US. You should be happy that we care. Australia has had a long history of influence from the US. We are basically a lot alike. So what happens in the US does affect the rest of the world and especially western nations.

The US use to be the worlds police and the one who championed freedom and democracy. Instead of all this culture wars.

Lol I will use that. Its hillarious. ^_^
Where did Bradley say that they were radioing anyone?

I haven't followed it closely the last two days. So I might have missed it, but this seems to say that the admiral wasn't saying that they radioed anyone (have even Cotton said that they did?). Did they even manage to right the boat? Was it seaworthy and functional? Which in itself isn't a reason to fire at them a second time. They have a right to try to survive the open sea.

It will be interesting to see if the JAG officer actually saw the film before saying it was legal. Now I would really like to see the film myself.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/04/politics/strike-lawmakers-briefing-radio-survivors
 
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Who jumped the gun? I asked for clarification.
I was speaking about all the accusations on this thread and in the media. How they have been accusing Hegseth of giving go ahead to kill all like some Nazis. All these crazy claims come out which as complete lies just to throw mud.
 
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Where did Bradley say that they were radioing anyone?
This was said on the same news report that there was a legal rep to advise on the strikes.

I haven't followed it closely the last two days. So I might have missed it, but this seems to say that the admiral wasn't saying that they radioed anyone (have even Cotton said that they did?). Did they even manage to right the boat? Was it seaworthy and functional? Which in itself isn't a reason to fire at them a second time. They have a right to try to survive the open sea.

It will be interesting to see if the JAG officer actually saw the film before saying it was legal. Now I would really like to see the film myself.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/04/politics/strike-lawmakers-briefing-radio-survivors
Its a bit like all these events where all these conspiracies and fake headlines come out making accusations and claims before anyone has seen the evidence.
 
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This was said on the same news report that there was a legal rep to advise on the strikes.

That was not in Bradley's own words, but the words of some unnamed sources.

It is in direct contradiction to the link I posted. We'll see if we ever get to see what actually happened ourselves.

But even in your clip the boat is said to be non-functional, it's hard to see that a second strike was justified then, IMO.
Its a bit like all these events where all these conspiracies and fake headlines come out making accusations and claims before anyone has seen the evidence.
I guess you haven't seen the actual film of what happened yourself?
 
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That was not in Bradley's own words, but the words of some unnamed sources.
The source stated that Bradley said this.
It is in direct contradiction to the link I posted. We'll see if we ever get to see what actually happened ourselves.

But even in your clip the boat is said to be non-functional, it's hard to see that a second strike was justified then, IMO.
We will just have to wait and see. But already we have seen the lies from legacy media accusing Hegseth or ordering the killing and commiting war crimes. Extreme bias and designed to undermine Trump. So I will not trust anything that is said until it is confirmed.
I guess you haven't seen the actual film of what happened yourself?
Neither has those with TDS who are making all these claims lol. Its the same MO as all the other fake news they have claimed from so called anonomous sources who they never name.

Even doctoring other peoples words to change what they have said. Just because they hate Trump and his admin so much. Or hiding the evidence because it contradicts their poisonous narrative against Trump.
 
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I just realized why we are killing everyone instead of arresting them.
By killing them right off, President Trump dosen't have to pardon them after they get convicted.
 
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The source stated that Bradley said this.

We will just have to wait and see. But already we have seen the lies from legacy media accusing Hegseth or ordering the killing and commiting war crimes. Extreme bias and designed to undermine Trump. So I will not trust anything that is said until it is confirmed.

Neither has those with TDS who are making all these claims lol. Its the same MO as all the other fake news they have claimed from so called anonomous sources who they never name.

Even doctoring other peoples words to change what they have said. Just because they hate Trump and his admin so much. Or hiding the evidence because it contradicts their poisonous narrative against Trump.
Trump hasn't been implicated in this has he? Regarding Trumps relation to the truth, I've known that it is self-serving since February 2017 and he showed his morals in the Access Hollywood tapes.
 
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Trump hasn't been implicated in this has he? Regarding Trumps relation to the truth, I've known that it is self-serving since February 2017 and he showed his morals in the Access Hollywood tapes.
No but I am saying that most of the attacks on Trumps admin are to get at Trump because they hate him so much.
 
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No but I am saying that most of the attacks on Trumps admin are to get at Trump because they hate him so much.
Nobody hates Trump all that much, you just think he should be immune to criticism for some strange reason. But many of us don't hate Trump at at all, we just think he's a self-seeking buffoon. What we hate are his policies, the agenda of the Christian Right he is trying to carry out.
 
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Copying over from the other thread.

Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Defense officials made that claim in at least one briefing in September for congressional staff, according to a source familiar with the session, and several media outlets cited officials repeating that justification in the last week.

But Thursday, Adm. Frank “Mitch” Bradley acknowledged that the two survivors of the military’s initial strike were in no position to make a distress call in his briefings to lawmakers.

Ultimately, Bradley told lawmakers, he ordered a second strike to destroy the remains of the vessel, killing the two survivors, on the grounds that it appeared that part of the vessel remained afloat because it still held cocaine, according to one of the sources. The survivors could hypothetically have floated to safety, been rescued, and carried on with trafficking the drugs, the logic went.
 
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No but I am saying that most of the attacks on Trumps admin are to get at Trump because they hate him so much.
Disapproval does not equal hate, does not equal attacks. He needs to be held to account for his damaging rhetoric and policies.
 
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Yes it was.
No it wasn’t. World police is a term for a country that involves itself in the affairs of the rest of the world and seeks to dominate and control every other country towards its own interests.

Australia very much depends on US alliance as we are not in a position to defend outselves from such evil doers.
Why don’t you use your military to blow up alleged drug traffickers in international waters?
 
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There you go then. All this jumping the gun stuff is typical of those who hate Trump and his admin. Lets just let all the facts come out.

What I find telling is that Trump haters are quite willing to crucify him and his admin at the drop of a hat making all sorts of crazy claims. Its their MO and its happened time and time again. They did it to Kirk and others. Attacked Musk and his business just because he was associated with Trump. Then they did it to Hegseth.

I don;t trust one word the legacy media and Trump haters say.
Why do you care so much if we like Trump? I don’t see what liking him has to do with holding this administration accountable to their actions. Do you believe Trump fans weren’t doing the same for Biden, Harris, Obama, Clinton?
 
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