Do the Ten Commandments apply to Christians today?

[Hentenza]

Jesus fulfilled all the commandments including "do not take God's name in vain".

Fulfill is not a synonym for "delete"

Were we simply "not supposed to notice?"

Strawman. No one made such an argument. Fulfilled means complete not delete.

 

[Hentenza]

Not true.

Adam did not "take God's name in vain"
Gen 6-7 shows that even the distinction between CLEAN vs UNCLEAN animals we observed before the flood

Irrelevant. No sabbath here.

Gen 4 shows that the law against Murder declaring it to be sin, was known and enforced before the flood.

Again, irrelevant. No sabbath here.

The Sabbath commandment itself points directly at Gen 2:2-3 for its origin.

No one read Gen. 2:2-3 until God gave the tablets of stone to Moses in the 15th century BCE.

Mark 2:27 Jesus points at Gen 1-2 speaking of both the "making of the Sabbath" for mankind, and the "making of mankind"

No. That is you reading your pet doctrine into the text. Jesus holds ultimate authority over the sabbath.

 

[BobRyan]

Not true.

Adam did not "take God's name in vain"
Gen 6-7 shows that even the distinction between CLEAN vs UNCLEAN animals we observed before the flood

Irrelevant. No sabbath here.

And no command saying "Do not take God's name in vain" n Gen 1-10 either

By not following the point from the very start you miss the entire post

Gen 2 has the Sabbath as even the Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:8-11 explicitly states in vs 11.

The point remains.

 

[Hentenza]

Not true.

Adam did not "take God's name in vain"
Gen 6-7 shows that even the distinction between CLEAN vs UNCLEAN animals we observed before the flood

Irrelevant. No sabbath here.

And no command saying "Do not take God's name in vain" n Gen 1-10 either

Strawman. No one has argued against the 3rd commandment.

By not following the point from the very start you miss the entire post

Gen 2 has the Sabbath as even the Sabbath commandment of Ex 20:8-11 explicitly states in vs 11.

The point remains.

The point does not remain. No one kept the sabbath before Moses. There is no verse showing this. If you have one then by all means post it.

 

[rebornfree]

I tend to agree with the article. (So glad that it's okay to wear poly/cotton clothing though! )

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sadly, many people do believe what is written on the internet and teachings of man over the teachings/commandments of God. Its what we were warned would happen.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

Jesus is the Truth John 14:6
All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
His Word is Truth John 17:17
His Truth sets us free John 8:32

God placed His seal of the living God that claims His name (Lord) Title (Creator) and Territory (Heaven and Earth) in the Ten Commandments and in the 4th commandment Exo20:11 and tells us in the end times this is the God we are to worship Rev14:7 only God can remove His seal and He never did, it is His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18. Unless we are sealed by God, there is only one other option. All God wants is to spend holy time with His children to bless us Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 and to be our God Eze20:20 sadly so many reject this for mans traditions and their own sanctification Isa66:17, they want to do this their way instead of Gods. Just like Adam and Eve in the garden, just like those tested in the wilderness. Heb3:8 Heb 4:6 Eze 20:15-16 Heb4:11


Mark 7:And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Happy Sabbath my friends! God's True Lords Day He claimed in His own Words Isa58:13. Instead of fighting this for some odd reason pray to God and ask His help in obeying Him. It is a moral issue. Love and worship to God is moral and worship according to Jesus is through obedience to God's commandments, not mans. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 John14:15 Isa66:23 Heb5:9 whoever we obey is who we serve/worship Rom6:16 even if we don't think we are doing so, but its the direction we are heading and our decisions we make, leads us in the path we are heading and one day our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I tend to agree with the article. (So glad that it's okay to wear poly/cotton clothing though! )

You will not find anything to do with fabrics in the Ten Commandments.

The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat5:19-30

Why God's name is in each of these commandments and the 4th commandment tells us the God we are to worship Exo20:11 Rev14:7 and obey in the first three commandments and contains His living seal for His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The last 6 how to love our neighbor Rom13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[Dan Perez]

The Ten are binding for eternity (Isaiah 66:22-23), for if the Sabbath is indeed a perpetual covenant and a sign (Exodus 31:13-16), then the rest of the Ten are part of that covenant, written in the heart.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them.​

The most compelling evidence to me is this. Jesus surrounds this statement with His authority.

Utmost Authority:​

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Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.​

Commandment keepers enter the city and have access to the tree of life:​

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Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.​

Those who break the commandments are outside the city:​

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Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.​

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Utmost Authority:​

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Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.​

May is conditional upon commandment keeping.
What commandments? Verse 15 is quoting from the Ten, and is effectively summarizing the Ten in its scope.

The wicked love and make a lie. What lie? That the Ten commandments aren't binding, for they are breaking the Ten commandments. How do we know? The very definition of sin is transgression of the law of God, or lawlessness (1 John 3:4).

If the issue of the end time is one of worship, the worship commandments (1-4) are of specific importance, and are being magnified in the book of Revelation.

I would go further and say that the lie not only points to the Ten as a whole, but specifically to the fourth commandment, which was prophesied as being changed in Daniel 7:25, and did change in all of Christendom; not as a commandment of God (God's law doesn't change), but a tradition of men.

The standard for the Ten remains the same.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.​

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.​

What happens to those outside the city?

Revelation 20:7-10 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

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And not surprised by the by. Heb 10:16 and who is PAUL wrote to HEBREWS to HEBREWS. and NOT

to then. BODY of CHRIST. !!

Read HEB 9:18. as it was the BLOOD of ANIMALS and NOT THE BLOOD OF JESUS. and that is b. why the LAW. had

to be set aside and then ALL who are SAVED ( BY . ROM 10:9 AND 10. can be saved and be

PLACED INTO V THE BODY of CHRIST ) by 1 Cor 12:13. !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Sadly, many people do believe what is written on the internet and teachings of man over the teachings/commandments of God. Its what we were warned would happen.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

Jesus is the Truth John 14:6
All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
His Word is Truth John 17:17
His Truth sets us free John 8:32

God placed His seal of the living God that claims His name (Lord) Title (Creator) and Territory (Heaven and Earth) in the Ten Commandments and in the 4th commandment Exo20:11 and tells us in the end times this is the God we are to worship Rev14:7 only God can remove His seal and He never did, it is His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18. Unless we are sealed by God, there is only one other option. All God wants is to spend holy time with His children to bless us Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 and to be our God Eze20:20 sadly so many reject this for mans traditions and their own sanctification Isa66:17, they want to do this their way instead of Gods. Just like Adam and Eve in the garden, just like those tested in the wilderness. Heb3:8 Heb 4:6 Eze 20:15-16 Heb4:11


Mark 7:And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Happy Sabbath my friends! God's True Lords Day He claimed in His own Words Isa58:13. Instead of fighting this for some odd reason pray to God and ask His help in obeying Him. It is a moral issue. Love and worship to God is moral and worship according to Jesus is through obedience to God's commandments, not mans. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 John14:15 Isa66:23 Heb5:9 whoever we obey is who we serve/worship Rom6:16 even if we don't think we are doing so, but its the direction we are heading and our decisions we make, leads us in the path we are heading and one day our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11

AND are you not also using you using the internet AND this what COL 2:16 says ::

Therefore , do. NOT // ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , NEVERRRRR. let anyone. JUDGE YOU in EATING.

or DRINKING. or in respect of a FEAST DAY. or NEW MOON. or SABBATH.

dan p

 

[SabbathBlessings]

AND are you not also using you using the internet AND this what COL 2:16 says ::

Therefore , do. NOT // ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , NEVERRRRR. let anyone. JUDGE YOU in EATING.

or DRINKING. or in respect of a FEAST DAY. or NEW MOON. or SABBATH.

dan p

Paul is not speaking of the weekly Sabbath as v14 clearly indicates- handwritten ordinances that were contrary and against. Col2:14KJV.

The Sabbath commandment is written by the finger of God Exo31:18 not handwritten in a book Deuteronomy 31:24-26 God called them one of His commandments Exo20:6 that God placed in a unit of Ten Deut4:13 if the Sabbath goes than the other 9 commandments go, breaking one we break them all James2:11 Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark2:27 so what God makes for man is not contrary and against. He said keeping it was to be a blessing Isa56:2 and a sign of His sanctification Eze20:12 and sign He is our God Eze20;20 and the Sabbath is to be a. Deligh Isa 58:13-14 is holy and blessed by God Himself. Those are the opposite of contrary and against because thats not what Paul is speaking of.

Why we need to be careful with Paul writing, he was the only one in the Bible that misunderstanding came with a salvation warning 2Peter3:16 especially when we are trying to make him teach against the Testimony of God Exo31:18 Isa8:20 and against Jesus own Testimony that the Sabbath would not end at the Cross Mat24:20 or ever Isa66:22-23

 

[Hentenza]

Paul is not speaking of the weekly Sabbath

He was a speaking of the sabbath. You can’t just change a definition because it is inconvenient to you.

Strong’s Definitions
σάββατον sábbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin (H7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:—sabbath (day), week.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Considering Paul has a salvation warning 2Peter3:16 , I would caution anyone who is using Paul against the very Testimony of Jesus Himself Who said the Sabbath would not end at the Cross Mat24:20 or ever Isa66:22-23

There is more than one Sabbath in Scripture, one came before sin one after sin that had to do with food and drink and offerings the context of this passage. I have completed a Bible study on this that spells out the context hopefully some will take the time to prayerfully study before carelessly disregarding one of God’s own personally written and spoken commandments and His own Testimony Exo31:18 Isa8:20

First, we can't isolate Col 2:16 without looking at the immediate context if we truly want to understand what Paul is speaking about.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This verse sets up the following verses and gives us a lot more context.
Paul is giving us the context as to what he is speaking about

1. handwritten
2. against and contrary to us

1. Was the Sabbath commandment "handwritten" ?

Lets look at what the Bible says
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The had is what man uses to write with, on scrolls with ink. The finger is not the hand and no man could possible write with their finger on Stone, only God could do so, by design so man should not not to mess God’s commandments, not a jot or tittle because man is not God.


2. Is the Sabbath commandment against and contrary to us

Lets look at what Jesus said:
Mat 2:28 The Sabbath was made for man
The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, its not the definition of contrary and against

Context doesn't fit

So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.

Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.

This is what Paul is quoting the law he is referring to is from

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

2 Cor33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.” (Handwriting of ordiances the context)

The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14


But lets look at this verse closer

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day "The holy day of the Lord" as already seen in the context.

Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and theburnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What was predicted would end when Jesus came?

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also annual sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation.

Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

I know this is a popular teaching, but the context does not fit the Sabbath commandment written by the finger of God that is part of God's holy and eternal law Mat 5:18-19 Isa 66:23