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The idea being presented is that every single member of Narcoterrorist cartels should get a Nuremberg style trial just like Goering did. Not just Narco kingpins, but every single person involved. And furthermore they should all stand trial rather than have any military action taken towards them. Not sure how that's supposed to work, but that's what's being demanded.
Nazi top brass were put on trial just like Narco kingpins like El Chapo and others have been put on trial.
A lot more than Nazi top brass was brought before a court. I guess you have heard of the different denazification processes in the different zones controlled by the Allies. Low importance members of the Nazi party were not summarily executed. So what is what in your analogy?
So the Christian view is that nothing is immoral until it is proven criminal in a court of law? LOL!
I'm not bashing Christianity. I am expressing my contempt for people who think that killing those to men in the water after their boat had been sunk was a righteous act.
Strawman.
You are bashing Christianity. I called you out because you are painting all Christians in the same light.
Do you really have to ask why. You don't think a boat load of drugs is going to lead to quite a number of deaths. Let alone all the devastation that is caused to families and communities.
Well its not working as the problem has increased.
Yet you often make claims without sources.
Does it matter. How many deaths do you think qualifies it as bad and some action is needed.
Why are you trying to make out there is not a problem.
Do you honestly think that they did not have good intelligence.
Then maybe the US should be looking into that as well. Bad mixture. The most dangerous combination of drugs in history killing 1,000s and destroying families and communities. An evil poison being pushed by evil people that have no respect for life.
This is unreal and the very idea that has led to such a problem. If its so easy as you seem to think then why has not thios been done since this problem began. Why did not Obama or Biden 'arrest' these Narcos if it was so easy. Why have they not arrested so many people that it has led to aeven a slow down. Rather than an increase.
Then not doing anything to immediately stop the poisoning of people is also intentional killing. Allowing it to continue is immoral.
And here we have another person who thinks killing those two men in the water after their boat had been sunk was a righteous act. It must be just a coincidence that you happen to be a Christian as well.Do you really have to ask why. You don't think a boat load of drugs is going to lead to quite a number of deaths. Let alone all the devastation that is caused to families and communities.
Its estimated that around 6 people die from every kilo of cocaime on the streets. But I reckon its even higher as the cocaine is now being laced with fentanyl.
But what is overlooked is that at least in Colombia every gram snorted of cocaine takes one Colombians life. I would say its similar in Venezuela.
For every gram of coke snorted in Britain, someone in Colombia will have had their life taken away.
Price of cocaine paid with blood
For every gram of coke snorted in Britain, someone in Colombia will have had their life taken away. Antony Barnett in Cartagena finds hard evidence to back up appeals to end Britain's habit.www.theguardian.com
Well its not working as the problem has increased.
Yet you often make claims without sources.
Does it matter. How many deaths do you think qualifies it as bad and some action is needed.
As far as most people I think they see every administration over the last decades as complete failures and hiding the truth over what has been happening. Thuis has contributed allowing this to go on now to the point it is out of hand and a national safety and security issue.
I don't think any past administration has a leg to stand on as far as moralising over who is telling the truth and taking responsibility. All I know is that the issue is serious and it needs serious action. The majority of people seem to support this immigration and national security approach.
Why are you trying to make out there is not a problem.
Do you honestly think that they did not have good intelligence.
Then maybe the US should be looking into that as well. Bad mixture. The most dangerous combination of drugs in history killing 1,000s and destroying families and communities. An evil poison being pushed by evil people that have no respect for life.
Thats where the moral outrage should be. But it seems misplaced for ideological reasons.
This is unreal and the very idea that has led to such a problem. If its so easy as you seem to think then why has not thios been done since this problem began. Why did not Obama or Biden 'arrest' these Narcos if it was so easy. Why have they not arrested so many people that it has led to aeven a slow down. Rather than an increase.
Its easy to moralise but another thing in reality. Do gooders protesting and proclaiming a better way to the point they actually contribute to absoi lutely nothing being done.
To stop the rot you have to stop it at the top. Catching individuals and boats (if you can) because they often cross at night in high powered speed boats. But evenso prosecuting a few boats and theres another 2 to take over. This is unreal.
Then not doing anything to immediately stop the poisoning of people is also intentional killing. Allowing it to continue is immoral.
Hense we have the ethical dilemma. Allow it to continue and watch your own people posioned. Or do something drastic to stop the evil people doing it.
From what I understand there is much more than just stopping the drug boats and this is related to national safety and security from foreign adversaries.
You are. The 6th commandment is foundational to all of Christianity.
Then it is only some Christians who think killing those two men in the water after their boat was sunk was a righteous act. What do you think the reasoning is of those Christians who approve of it? You, at least, seem to be willing to back down and call it immoral if it is shown first to be illegal.
Don't get your numbers from Narcos (it is not true!).
Those where included in the fictional claim of 6 deaths per kilo.
Obviously an exaggeration. The UK consumes an estimated 117 tonnes of cocaine each year (Tracking the world’s major cocaine route to Europe - and why it’s growing)For every gram of coke snorted in Britain, someone in Colombia will have had their life taken away.
Price of cocaine paid with blood
For every gram of coke snorted in Britain, someone in Colombia will have had their life taken away. Antony Barnett in Cartagena finds hard evidence to back up appeals to end Britain's habit.
It decreased in 2024, I think.
What factual claim have I left unsourced? You can take it to the other thread if you want it discussed there.
Action is needed, interdiction!
I'm not, it is a big problem. I'm disputing that each sunk boat would save 20000 lives.
They do, to my understanding. If american citizens carry fentanyl over the mexican border it is a strange strategy blow up boats in Trinidad.
The top being fishermans making an extra buck (albeit a rather large one)?
For each one that went to court, 100 got shot out in the field without going to court.
It's not my analogy, it's my response to someone else's analogy.
I going to need a reference for that, I think something on the order of 8 million germans were members of the nazi party. The population of Germany at the time was much smaller than 800 million (it still is). From my understanding most got off scot-free (which was a problem in and of itself), they didn't get executed at least.
Ok
I never had to “back down” because I didn’t have a place to back down from. You’ll have to ask those Christians that you are accusing. However, you need to examine how you are going about this. This issue is a highly political issue that transcends religion with one side very quick to accuse and get all indignant before all facts are in. I don’t come to a conclusion until I have the necessary facts but many here do.
The legality of it is the earthly measure of what is just. In Christianity there is more to just an earthly measure but also heavenly as well. We believe that only God knows what is in someone’s heart and can fully objectively judge the person. Personally I can make “my” mind of someone’s guilt by the evidence presented but I can never fully know the person’s heart or motivation.
