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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

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Right, combatting invading foreign terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers in foreign territory is against the law and murder. There's also some prime Florida swampland real-estate up for sale and pigs can fly.
For a person who is not a Christian "combatting drug smugglers" does not require shooting them in the water after you sink their boats.
 
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One wonders what color is the sky is in the world where combatting invading foreign terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers is considered sanctioned murder.
Blue skies. Where I believe my government should have to at least try to prove its case against a person before killing them if they’re not any immediate threat.
 
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For a person who is not a Christian "combatting drug smugglers" does not require shooting them in the water after you sink their boats.
Thousands of terrorists, including narco-terrorists, have been bombed and shot over a period of decades, but now we're supposed to act like this is the first time it's ever happened.
 
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Because terrorists have never never been bombed or shot before now.
What planet are you living on? Here, terrorists are bombed and shot at as often as possible, and they frequently bomb and shoot back. But when they are disarmed and disabled at last here we arrest them. It's against the law and common morality to just gun them down.
 
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For a person who is not a Christian "combatting drug smugglers" does not require shooting them in the water after you sink their boats.
Christianity has nothing to do with it. You paint with a very wide brush. What’s going to end up happening probably is that the admiral over the attack will be blamed.
 
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Correct. Its organized crime.
"Narcoterrorism" was coined in 1983 by former Peruvian President Fernando Belaúnde Terry. Yes, that's right, like "make America great again", coined by Ronald Regan 45 years ago, it's not something that was invented by Trump. Narco cartels have been considered to be a terrorist organization for the last 40+ years.
 
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Christianity has nothing to do with it. You paint with a very wide brush. What’s going to end up happening probably is that the admiral over the attack will be blamed.
Look around. Why are there so many Christians praising and trying to legally justify the killing of those two men? Christianity may have had nothing to do with it, but Christians are certainly glad it happened. Even blowing up the boats like that is considered iffy, but then to go back and kill the survivors and have Christians respond with enthusiasm is morally contemptible. I don't think Christians can live this one down. It's over.
 
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What planet are you living on? Here, terrorists are bombed and shot at as often as possible, and they frequently bomb and shoot back. But when they are disarmed and disabled at last here we arrest them. It's against the law and common morality to just gun them down.
Considering all the hoopla over narco-terrorists, it sounds like it's the first time it's ever happened on their world.
 
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Look around. Why are there so many Christians praising and trying to legally justify the killing of those two men? Christianity may have had nothing to do with it, but Christians are certainly glad it happened.
Again, you are painting with a very wide brush. I’m one of those that completely disagree with what happened and I’m a Christian.

Secondly, shooting at survivors is indeed a crime and will be dealt with appropriately I hope. But it will be dealt with in a secular court under secular law.
 
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Again, you are painting with a very wide brush. I’m one of those that completely disagree with what happened and I’m a Christian.

Secondly, shooting at survivors is indeed a crime and will be dealt with appropriately I hope. But it will be dealt with in a secular court under secular law.
So the logic is bombing them is an entirely different matter than shooting them. And also shooting fleeing terrorists or criminals has always been a crime apparently. Looks like I need to brush up on reading law books from Bizzarro World.
 
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"Narcoterrorism" was coined in 1983 by former Peruvian President Fernando Belaúnde Terry. Yes, that's right, like "make America great again", coined by Ronald Regan 45 years ago, it's not something that was invented by Trump. Narco cartels have been considered to be a terrorist organization for the last 40+ years.
People are always bending word meanings to suit their purposes. We've been warned about this.

Al Qaeda =/= Al Capone.
 
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Again, you are painting with a very wide brush. I’m one of those that completely disagree with what happened and I’m a Christian.

Secondly, shooting at survivors is indeed a crime and will be dealt with appropriately I hope. But it will be dealt with in a secular court under secular law.
Get your fellow Christians in line then. Unless you have them on ignore, you should see the supporting of the "double tap." If you see it and don't call it out, or even attempt to call it out, then congratulations the brush is going to cover you. I see the ones trying to do it, don't make them the minority.
 
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Again, you are painting with a very wide brush. I’m one of those that completely disagree with what happened and I’m a Christian.

Secondly, shooting at survivors is indeed a crime and will be dealt with appropriately I hope. But it will be dealt with in a secular court under secular law.
It would have to be in a secular court because Christians are giving it a pass morally.
 
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One could just as easily say that some people are obviously putting on a show about being concerned over laws they're not really familiar with, and claiming taking out invading terrorists is murder in favor of terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers. It's too bad their candidate didn't win the election, because then the poor victimized terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers would have nothing to worry about and their business would be booming.

One could just as easily say that some people are obviously putting on a show about being concerned over laws they're not really familiar with, and claiming taking out invading terrorists is murder in favor of terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers. It's too bad their candidate didn't win the election, because then the poor victimized terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers would have nothing to worry about and their business would be booming.
The part in red is just an interpretation of yours, while the cheering for murder can very easily be documented with multiple posts in this very thread.
 
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So the logic is bombing them is an entirely different matter than shooting them. And also shooting fleeing terrorists or criminals has always been a crime apparently. Looks like I need to brush up on reading law books from Bizzarro World.
Look up International Law and War law. Unless the survivor pauses an imminent danger then the shooting is illegal. This is designed for reciprocity during war.

Personally I have no problems taking the war on drugs to them but it is illegal to shoot survivors.
 
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Okay right, smuggling drugs into the US from forgin country isn't an invasion.
Indeed. Since they go back for the next cargo.
And Narco cartels are in no way terrorist. Sure thing.
Indeed. Narco cartels aim to make profit. Terrorists aim to impose some political agenda.
Not the same.
 
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Look up International Law and War law. Unless the survivor pauses an imminent danger then the shooting is illegal. This is designed for reciprocity during war.

Personally I have no problems taking the war on drugs to them but it is illegal to shoot survivors.
You realize that you will soon be labelled as a Hamas supporting terrorist lover. How many American flags have you been burning lately?
 
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It would have to be in a secular court because Christians are giving it a pass morally.
Strawman. You continue to paint with a wide brush. Christians are NOT responsible for shooting the survivors. I find it offensive that you would blame an incident by one or a group of people on the collective adherents of one religion. If you hate Christianity so much then what are you doing posting in a Christian site? Your argument is no argument just a malicious assumption on your part.

Maybe you need a snickers bar.
 
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Look up International Law and War law. Unless the survivor pauses an imminent danger then the shooting is illegal. This is designed for reciprocity during war.

Personally I have no problems taking the war on drugs to them but it is illegal to shoot survivors.
But you can't bring yourself to say it was immoral. That is the stench in God's nostrils.
 
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