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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

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I mean you could look at each boat full of drugs thats going to harm and kill around 20,000 people per boat could be compared to a boat launching a missile and killing and harming 20,000 people.

They are just doing it over a longer time. But whats the difference. The drug lords know exactly that their drugs will lead to killing and destroying 1,000s of lives. At what point do we say enough and just allow the drugs to come in.

from what I understand the hits on drug boats has had an almost immediate effect and there are no boats coming in with drugs. So already 1,000s of lives saved. Surely thats a good thing.
I don't know if it's a good thing, but it apparently is the Christian thing to do. Most nations and most non-Christians in this country think that if you sink an enemy ship it is wrong to machine gun the survivors in the water.
 
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I don't know if it's a good thing, but it apparently is the Christian thing to do. Most nations and most non-Christians in this country think that if you sink an enemy ship it is wrong to machine gun the survivors in the water.
Such oldthink.
 
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But I know certain people want to portray them as innocent victims. And their members of government as war criminals. Basically the usual pro-terrorist stance.

Gotta love fighting for the rights of narco terrorist drug smugglers.

If I believe our government should interdict drug smugglers while ensuring that due process is exercised, does that make me a "pro-terrorist"?
 
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If I were american, I'd be more worried, knowing that when the illegal order to kill me will come down, it will also not be refused.
Yep, you guessed it. Gunning down American citizens has been the plan all along. Very dreadful dystopian days are ahead of us that will make the dark ages and the black plague look like a picnic. And remember, it all started with completely harmless and totally innocent terrorist drug smugglers.

Of course in reality millions of Americans have been killed by those drugs, but the real threat is supposed to be the administration putting full effort into stopping the drug flow to save American lives.
 
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If I believe our government should interdict drug smugglers while ensuring that due process is exercised, does that make me a "pro-terrorist"?
It might seem to put one more on the side of invading foreign terrorists than the wellbeing of one's own country. But who am I to decide such matters?
 
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It might seem to put one more on the side of invading foreign terrorists than the wellbeing of one's own country. But who am I to decide such matters?

Did you miss the interdiction part?
 
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It might seem to put one more on the side of invading foreign terrorists than the wellbeing of one's own country. But who am I to decide such matters?
You have to understand that this forum is open to non-Christians, so some of the people here will not understand Christian morality and think it wrong to machine gun the survivers of a sunken enemy ship.
 
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Gotta love fighting for the rights of narco terrorist drug smugglers.
Who do you think most of our rights are for other than people who, in some way, run afoul of the government's wishes? Of the ten amendments in the bill of rights, four deal with criminal legal proceedings (4, 5, 6, & 8); one is about civil legal proceedings (7); and two are about doing things that might challenge the government's power in some way (1 & 2).

Whether or not our constitutional rights extend to foreigners in foreign areas is a separate matter (they largely don't), but there are other laws that do cover how our government is supposed to act in those situations and which could be described as "rights" held by the objects of the government's power.

Either way, if you think "rights" are only for the obedient and obviously law-abiding, then you missed the entire point.
 
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Did you miss the interdiction part?
No, that's only going on in the Pacific where Trump's Christian supporters aren't paying attention. The coast guard is doing some good work out there, stopping the boats and arresting the crews.
 
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Who do you think most of our rights are for other than the people who, in some way, run afoul of the government's wishes? Of the ten amendments in the bill of rights, four deal with criminal legal proceedings (4, 5, 6, & 8); one is about civil legal proceedings (7); and two are about doing things that might challenge the government's power in some way (1 & 2).

Whether or not our constitutional rights extend to foreigners in foreign areas is a separate matter (they largely don't), but there are other laws that do cover how our government is supposed to act in those situations and which could be described as "rights" held by the objects of the government's power.

Either way, if you think "rights" are only for the obedient and obviously law-abiding, then you missed the entire point.
They're very proactively trying to curtail deadly drug smuggling and human trafficking. And some people are actually complaining about it. Which is totally bizarre to the rest of us.
 
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No, that's only going on in the Pacific where Trump's Christian supporters aren't paying attention. The coast guard is doing some good work out there, stopping the boats and arresting the crews.

...yes, as they have for decades. But hey, arresting, interrogating, prosecuting and convicting drug runners is not sufficient for this administration. Better to simply kill them and forgo any information that might have been obtained from a captured drug runner.

 
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You have to understand that this forum is open to non-Christians, so some of the people here will not understand Christian morality and think it wrong to machine gun the survivers of a sunken enemy ship.
So you're saying that Christians are in favor of murder, right? How for do you want to keep pushing that? I mean this like the tenth time you've done it.
 
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They're very proactively trying to curtail deadly drug smuggling and human trafficking.

They are? Or they're very enthusiastically trying to engage in political theater?

Because if one was so concerned about smuggling and trafficking, one probably shouldn't have pardoned the president of Honduras, Ross Ulbright (the Silk Road guy), or Jean Pinkard.


And some people are complaining about it. Which is totally bizarre to the rest of us.

That's because your perspective on government power is myopic and only focused on the short-term. You've abandoned the notion of rights as principles to uphold and instead only want them wielded in a self-serving manner, to get you what you want.

That's always been the perspective on "rights" of a large faction of the right; it just hasn't been quite so clear until recently.

If you understood rights and laws as principles rather than merely means to a desired near-term outcome, then none of this would be bizarre to you at all.
 
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They're very proactively trying to curtail deadly drug smuggling and human trafficking. And some people are actually complaining about it. Which is totally bizarre to the rest of us.

Like I said earlier, come out here where the killing is happening and give us a hand. I have 4 empty racks available and the chow isn't too bad. The Marines are mostly potty trained and we have internet. We can always use more heroes on the machine guns.

The rooms aren't too bad but then, I'm a department head.

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You wold get bunk beds, but still an officer stateroom.
 
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So you're saying that Christians are in favor of murder, right? How for do you want to keep pushing that? I mean this like the tenth time you've done it.
Some christians posting here obviously favour murder over the rule of law.
 
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Some christians posting here obviously favour murder over the rule of law.
One could just as easily say that some people are obviously putting on a show about being concerned over laws they're not really familiar with, and claiming taking out invading terrorists is murder in favor of terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers. It's too bad their candidate didn't win the election, because then the poor victimized terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers would have nothing to worry about and their business would be booming.
 
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Like I said earlier, come out here where the killing is happening and give us a hand. I have 4 empty racks available and the chow isn't too bad. The Marines are mostly potty trained and we have internet. We can always use more heroes on the machine guns.

The rooms aren't too bad but then, I'm a department head.

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Sure thing, just let me look up what the enlistment policy is for 64 year olds.
 
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Some christians posting here obviously favour murder over the rule of law.
Right, combatting invading foreign terrorist drug smugglers and human traffickers in foreign territory is against the law and murder. There's also some prime Florida swampland real-estate up for sale and pigs can fly.
 
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Sure thing, just let me look up what the enlistment policy is for 64 year olds.

Oh well, 65 is the cut for total service with a few exceptions but they won't let you in.
 
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