Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

[RDKirk]

That's not evidence that Hegseth or Bradley ordered drug smugglers clinging to boat wreckage to be gunned down.

I said the act itself (that a second pass to kill the survivors of the first pass) was tacitly admitted, not that Hegseth admitted to having given the order. And nobody in the administration currently denies that such a second pass was made.

Hegseth implies that whatever was done, Bradley was in charge of it.

 

[Servus]

Trump pardoning Hernandez means Trump doesn't care about American consuming drugs, It means nothing to Trump. So, Trump is trying to cause a war, to take their land. Not to protect us from drug overdoses. They don't mean anything to Trump.

According to what I've read Trump's reason for pardoning Hernandez is that he was unfairly prosecuted. That his trial was politically motivated. Trump has said many Hondurans told him Hernandez was “set up” and wrongly portrayed as a “drug dealer because he was the president of the country.”

 

[Servus]

I said the act itself (that a second pass to kill the survivors of the first pass) was tacitly admitted, not that Hegseth admitted to having given the order. And nobody in the administration currently denies that such a second pass was made.

Hegseth implies that whatever was done, Bradley was in charge of it.

I think that's what's being read into it. But it seems more likely that Hegseth was referring to the boat strike period.

 

[BCP1928]

I think that's what's being read into it. It seems more likely that Hegseth was referring to the boat strike period.

Well, it happened--the White House has not denied it, so you'll just have to be pleased with that for the time being. No doubt your favorite culture warriors will be able to wiggle out of any serious legal consequences.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

According to what I've read Hernandez was unfairly prosecuted — that his trial was politically motivated.

What, exactly, have you read? Because the only people I've seen saying that Hernandez was unfairly prosecuted are Hernandez himself and Trump (who claims that some unnamed people told him that). No serious analysis of the case that I've seen has indicated that it was unfair or otherwise not completely airtight.

The Drug Case Against the Former Honduras President Trump Wants to Pardon

US President Donald Trump’s plans to pardon former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández belie the evidence used to convict him.

insightcrime.org

Murder, Corruption, and Drugs: The Ledgers That Could Sink Honduras’ Ex-President

Damning drug ledgers will once again be presented as evidence in a US drug trafficking trial – this time against the ex-president of Honduras.

insightcrime.org

Trump has said many Hondurans told him Hernandez was “set up” and wrongly portrayed as a “drug dealer because he was the president of the country.”

"Many people are saying" is a common Trumpian turn of phrase, and is basically meaningless. I'm sure there are Hondurans who think that he was unfairly prosecuted, but the whole point of a trial is to get past public opinion and discern the facts.

 

[Belk]

It is the 'War on drugs.' Yes it is a war.

When one person enters the US and commits just one murder, rape or assault they should have been stopped by whatever means prior to the act, beginning with proper vetting. Yet they come in illegally so no vetting process. When drug cartels send weapons of mass destruction into the country, which they are doing, killing around 100,000 annually, they should be stopped by whatever means necessary. It is a mandate of US government to protect it's citizens.

Drug cartels are not seeking asylum. They do not consider your life or welfare.

If you wish to make this a Christian issue consider these words;

Romans
' Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.

Peter
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.


The evil men who choose to commit these crimes remind me of these words.

'With the reasonable man I will reason.
With the fool I will plead,
But to the tyrant I will show no quarter.'

Just because someone strung some words together does not make it a thing. I can talk about square circles but they remain outside the realm of reality.

 

[Belk]

So here we have some of these "evil men" in a speedboat nowhere near the US and not headed there probably loaded with cocaine. The boat is blown up, killing many of the crew and the survivors clinging to the wreckage are murdered. I put it to you that no possible interpretation of the Gospel of Christ could justify killing those two men. Yet Christians praise the action and in so doing have destroyed the moral credibility of the Christian faith. It is finished.

It's reputation might tale a hit, but it has survived worse then this. The Spanish inquisition comes to mind.

 

[Servus]

What, exactly, have you read? Because the only people I've seen saying that Hernandez was unfairly prosecuted are Hernandez himself and Trump (who claims that some unnamed people told him that). No serious analysis of the case that I've seen has indicated that it was unfair or otherwise not completely airtight.

The Drug Case Against the Former Honduras President Trump Wants to Pardon

US President Donald Trump’s plans to pardon former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández belie the evidence used to convict him.

insightcrime.org

Murder, Corruption, and Drugs: The Ledgers That Could Sink Honduras’ Ex-President

Damning drug ledgers will once again be presented as evidence in a US drug trafficking trial – this time against the ex-president of Honduras.

insightcrime.org

"Many people are saying" is a common Trumpian turn of phrase, and is basically meaningless. I'm sure there are Hondurans who think that he was unfairly prosecuted, but the whole point of a trial is to get past public opinion and discern the facts.

I had reworded my post before seeing this to put emphasis that it's Trump's stated reason for pardoning Hernandez. Which goes against the idea that if Trump was really against narco drugs being smuggled into the US he wouldn't have pardoned Hernandez.

According to what I've read Trump's reason for pardoning Hernandez is that he was unfairly prosecuted. That his trial was politically motivated. Trump has said many Hondurans told him Hernandez was “set up” and wrongly portrayed as a “drug dealer because he was the president of the country.”

 

[Servus]

Well, it happened--the White House has not denied it,

Hegseth called it "fake news".

so you'll just have to be pleased with that for the time being. No doubt your favorite culture warriors will be able to wiggle out of any serious legal consequences.

Yes, it's uncanny how they manage to wiggle their way out of false allegations.

 

[Belk]

Hegseth called it "fake news".

Yes, it's uncanny how they manage to wiggle their way out of false allegations.

The same thing he said about the signal conversation until the reporter released it.

 

[Servus]

The same thing he said about the signal conversation until the reporter released it.

So 1 out of a bazillion?

 

[Belk]

So 1 out of a bazillion?

When people show you who they are, you can believe them or not.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I had reworded my post before seeing this to put emphasis that it's Trump's stated reason for pardoning Hernandez. Which goes against the idea that if Trump was really against narco drugs being smuggled into the US he wouldn't have pardoned Hernandez.

So he's an incurious, easily-influenced idiot. Not sure how that's any better.

 

[wing2000]

Trump's reasons for pardoning Hernandez tell a different story. Are you sure you know the whole story on what happened?

No, I don't know the whole story (and I certainly won't get that from Trump). What do you think motivated Trump to pardon him?

 

[Servus]

So he's an incurious, easily-influenced idiot. Not sure how that's any better.

Always seeking bias conformation isn't a good way to evacuate a situation.

 

[Servus]

No, I don't know the whole story (and I certainly won't get that from Trump). What do you think motivated Trump to pardon him?

According to what I've read Trump's reason for pardoning Hernandez is that he was unfairly prosecuted. That his trial was politically motivated. Trump has said many Hondurans told him Hernandez was “set up” and wrongly portrayed as a “drug dealer because he was the president of the country.”

 

[Palmfever]

Just because someone strung some words together does not make it a thing. I can talk about square circles but they remain outside the realm of reality.

No doubt.

 

[wing2000]

Fun fact:

Emil Bove prosecuted the Honduran president's brother during Trump's first term.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Always seeking bias conformation isn't a good way to evacuate a situation.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Trump says that people told him that Hernandez was unfairly prosecuted. That's fine, but people can say a lot of things, and having read up on the case myself, I've seen no evidence to suggest that he was. Trump does not provide any support for the idea that Hernandez was unfairly prosecuted other than the fact that people told him it was true, so therefore I must conclude that Trump is an incurious (he's simply taking people at their word rather than investigating their claims himself) easily-influenced ("some people" merely need to make a suggestion for him to implement it as policy) idiot (pardoning someone convicted of drug trafficking on a massive scale without a very good reason when you're engaged in a very high-profile assault on drug traffickers is just dumb).

 

[RDKirk]

I think that's what's being read into it. But it seems more likely that Hegseth was referring to the boat strike period.

And that whatever was done (and they are no longer denying the "double tap"), Bradley was in charge.