Trump plan for peace in Ukraine leaked; calls for Ukraine to cede additional territory, cut military forces. US Ukraine envoy to leave role

[jonojim1337]

I don't understand why Trump is still so cozy with Russia. If he wants to broker a deal he needs the Ukraine and EU on board. This plan is DOA, perhaps serves only as propaganda to send Ukraine what they need. Germany has pledged over 10 billion to Ukraine, so I think such a surrender is still not around the corner. Ukraine is perhaps fortunate that this deal leaked.

Ukraine doesn’t have the manpower to keep the frontline. And if European nations send their own, they’re not gonna have Article 5 guarantees. The most shocking of it all is that Trump is acting in a self preserving manner.

 

[BCP1928]

I hope that instead of trying to undermine the President of the United States in brokering a successful peace agreement that Americans can get together to support peace. Putin does not want peace, he want Ukraine. He has seen before the undermining of U.S. resolve to stand up to dictators by working through the universities and American educational system. Putin has seen the weakness in the E. U. as well. By starting the process Trump can show the world Putin's true intentions.

By letting Russia have what it wants in Ukraine. How clever!

 

[Lukaris]

He brought peace in the between Azerbaijan and Albania conflict, despite them never fighting and being 1,000 kilometres from each others borders.

No, it is a conflict involving the ancient Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh fighting for their homeland against Azerbaijan. The deal Trump helped negotiate wasn’t that great for the Armenians but there were few options. Middle Eastern Christians always end up on the short end.

Second Nagorno-Karabakh War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Valletta]

By letting Russia have what it wants in Ukraine. How clever!

25,000 dead soldiers just last month. Joe Biden said he would permit a small incursion and there have been over a million casualties, many civilians.
Trump is doing what no Democrat, no person, has been able to do and that is getting the two countries to negotiate for peace. Everyone in the world should support such humanitarian efforts. Russia and Ukraine may or may not come to an agreement, that is up to their leaders, but at least Trump is putting forth the effort.

 

[7thKeeper]

25,000 dead soldiers just last month. Joe Biden said he would permit a small incursion and there have been over a million casualties, many civilians.
Trump is doing what no Democrat, no person, has been able to do and that is getting the two countries to negotiate for peace. Everyone in the world should support such humanitarian efforts. Russia and Ukraine may or may not come to an agreement, that is up to their leaders, but at least Trump is putting forth the effort.

... But there is no negotiations between Russia and Ukraine going on.

 

[Valletta]

... But there is no negotiations between Russia and Ukraine going on.

So it is not valid in your eyes because the two are not directly negotiating with each other? People are dying every day!

Donald Trump said on Sunday there was a “good chance” of a deal to end the war in Ukraine after the latest US negotiations with Kyiv, as his special envoy prepares to travel to Russia for follow-up talks.

Ukraine war briefing: Trump says ‘good chance’ of deal to end conflict after latest talks with Kyiv

Marco Rubio also expresses optimism while saying ‘more work’ needed as Trump envoy set to meet Vladimir Putin. What we know on day 1,377

www.theguardian.com

 

[Servus]

... But there is no negotiations between Russia and Ukraine going on.

That we know of. The press doesn't always get told everything that's currently going on.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Some liberals are acknowledging Trump's successes:

Charlie Sheen Blasts His Father Martin Sheen for Attacking Trump Right After He Brokered Gaza Peace Deal

Actor Charlie Sheen said his father's criticism of President Donald Trump was poorly timed because the "West Wing" star's attack came on the same day that Trump was the toast of the world due to his Gaza peace deal.

www.breitbart.com

With Charlie Sheen on board in addition to your existing roster that includes Pete Hegseth and Ronny Jackson, it seems that you guys have the drug & sex addict vote locked up.

 

[wing2000]

So it is not valid in your eyes because the two are not directly negotiating with each other? People are dying every day!

No.

Would you have another country ceded American territory after tens of thousands of Americans shed blood defending it?

 

[7thKeeper]

That we know of. The press doesn't always get told everything that's currently going on.

No, there isn't. We've seen the demands coming from Russia and the continued strikes on civilians. They aren't negotiating right now anything with Ukraine.

 

[Servus]

No, there isn't. We've seen the demands coming from Russia and the continued strikes on civilians. They aren't negotiating right now anything with Ukraine.

We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors.

 

[essentialsaltes]

EU tells Trump: You can’t pardon Putin for war crimes in Ukraine ​

“I don’t think history will judge kindly any effort to wipe the slate clean for Russian crimes in Ukraine,” [European commissioner for justice and democracy] McGrath said. “They must be held accountable for those crimes and that will be the approach of the European Union in all of these discussions.

His comments reflect concerns widely held in European capitals that the original American blueprint for a deal included the promise of a “full amnesty for actions committed during the war,” alongside plans to reintegrate Russia into the world economy.

The Trump team’s push to rehabilitate the Kremlin chief comes despite international condemnation of Russia for alleged crimes including the abduction of 20,000 Ukrainian children and attacks targeting civilians in Bucha, Mariupol and elsewhere.

Last month, a United Nations commission found Russian authorities had committed crimes against humanity in targeting Ukrainian residents through drone attacks, and the war crimes of forcible transfer and deportation of civilians.