The Biblical Basis of 10 Catholic Distinctives

[FredVB]

I don't regard apocrypha as authoritative, I see problems with them. But what is wrong with the early and oldest part of 1 Enoch, which has passages quoted and referred to in the new testament?

 

[BobRyan]

This thread will sequentially discuss the biblical underpinnings of these 10 Catholic distinctives:
(1) Holy Water
(2) Holy Relics
(3) Prayer to Saints

Nothing in OT or NT for that

(4) Catholic Mariology

Not in the Bible.
Christ was confronted with it and responded "on the contrary"

(5) Priestly Confession and Absolution

Not a role specific to any office or person in the NT

(6) Infant Baptism

Not in the NT at all ( or OT)

(7) Transubstantiation/ Real Presence

"in remembrance of me" not "I am killed each time you do this"

(8) Purgatory

Not in the Bible at all ... not even in the Apocrypha

(9) Catholic Doctrine of Justification

Not sure what you mean by that

(10) Catholic View of Scripture and Tradition

Mark 7:7-13 is Christ's response to that

 

[RileyG]

Nothing in OT or NT for that

Not in the Bible.
Christ was confronted with it and responded "on the contrary"


Not a role specific to any office or person in the NT

Not in the NT at all ( or OT)

"in remembrance of me" not "I am killed each time you do this"

Not in the Bible at all ... not even in the Apocrypha

Not sure what you mean by that

Mark 7:7-13 is Christ's response to that

I can write a very long response to this, but the bold part is beyond wrong, and an inaccurate view on the Catholic view of the Eucharist and the real presence. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross happened ONCE and ONCE only. The Mass is an reenactment of the Last Supper and Good Friday.

Also in Acts 16:15, whole households were baptized. Which most certainly included children and infants.

Regarding Mariology, "Behold your Mother" by Tim Staples is a wonderful book that uses scripture to defend the Marian doctrines.

Prayers for the dead are an ancient Christian and Jewish practice. They weren't even questioned until the Protestant Reformation. Ideas such as soul sleep aren't biblical and weren't even thought of in Christianity until relatively recently. I think the 1800s.

Regarding confession, it's 100% biblical. John 20:19-23, Matthew 18:18, James 5:13-16, Matthew 16:19, among others.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I can write a very long response to this, but the bold part is beyond wrong, and an inaccurate view on the Catholic view of the Eucharist and the real presence. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross happened ONCE and ONCE only. The Mass is an reenactment of the Last Supper and Good Friday.

Also in Acts 16:15, whole households were baptized. Which most certainly included children and infants.

Regarding Mariology, "Behold your Mother" by Tim Staples is a wonderful book that uses scripture to defend the Marian doctrines.

Prayers for the dead are an ancient Christian and Jewish practice. They weren't even questioned until the Protestant Reformation. Ideas such as soul sleep aren't biblical and weren't even thought of in Christianity until relatively recently. I think the 1800s.

Regarding confession, it's 100% biblical. John 20:19-23, Matthew 18:18, James 5:13-16, Matthew 16:19, among others.

I can write a very long response to this, but the bold part is beyond wrong, and an inaccurate view on the Catholic view of the Eucharist and the real presence. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross happened ONCE and ONCE only. The Mass is an reenactment of the Last Supper and Good Friday.

Also in Acts 16:15, whole households were baptized. Which most certainly included children and infants.

Regarding Mariology, "Behold your Mother" by Tim Staples is a wonderful book that uses scripture to defend the Marian doctrines.

Prayers for the dead are an ancient Christian and Jewish practice. They weren't even questioned until the Protestant Reformation. Ideas such as soul sleep aren't biblical and weren't even thought of in Christianity until relatively recently. I think the 1800s.

Regarding confession, it's 100% biblical. John 20:19-23, Matthew 18:18, James 5:13-16, Matthew 16:19, among others.

Households in the first century included not only the nuclear families with which we are familiar with in modern society but the extended family as well as slaves, bond-slaves, and hired servants. Do you believe that all of these individuals were routinely baptized even though some, being adults and of sound mind, had no particular interest in Jesus Christ?

 

[RileyG]

Households in the first century included not only the nuclear families with which we are familiar with in modern society but the extended family as well as slaves, bond-slaves, and hired servants. Do you believe that all of these individuals were routinely baptized even though some, being adults and of sound mind, had no particular interest in Jesus Christ?

It's possible. I wasn't there.

 

[bbbbbbb]

It's possible. I wasn't there.

Nor was I. I prefer not to speculate.

 

[RileyG]

Nor was I. I prefer not to speculate.

Fair enough.

 

[The Liturgist]

I can write a very long response to this, but the bold part is beyond wrong, and an inaccurate view on the Catholic view of the Eucharist and the real presence. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross happened ONCE and ONCE only. The Mass is an reenactment of the Last Supper and Good Friday.

Also in Acts 16:15, whole households were baptized. Which most certainly included children and infants.

Regarding Mariology, "Behold your Mother" by Tim Staples is a wonderful book that uses scripture to defend the Marian doctrines.

Prayers for the dead are an ancient Christian and Jewish practice. They weren't even questioned until the Protestant Reformation. Ideas such as soul sleep aren't biblical and weren't even thought of in Christianity until relatively recently. I think the 1800s.

Regarding confession, it's 100% biblical. John 20:19-23, Matthew 18:18, James 5:13-16, Matthew 16:19, among others.

Amen to that. it’s very frustrating when people assert things about our faith which isn’t true. As an Orthodox, I am tired of being told my church worships on Sunday because Emperor Constantine ordered this at the Council of Nicaea, which is patently false (also the Orthodox churches haven’t been in communion with Rome since 1054 in the case of the EO, 451 in the case of the OO, and have never been under the control of the Pope of Rome.

But since some leaders of 19th century churches did not discuss our church in their writings, this creates a conundrum and it seems the easy way out for some is to just classify us as Roman Catholics in denial, similar to the manner in which our Lutheran friends like @MarkRohfrietsch @ViaCrucis @Ain't Zwinglian and our Anglican friends such as @Jipsah are treated.

 

[The Liturgist]

Households in the first century included not only the nuclear families with which we are familiar with in modern society but the extended family as well as slaves, bond-slaves, and hired servants. Do you believe that all of these individuals were routinely baptized even though some, being adults and of sound mind, had no particular interest in Jesus Christ?

If we interpret the Scripture literally, than yes. It would be the case that those members of the household outside of the nuclear family would definitely be incentivized to believe in Christ our God.

Also the history of the early church has many cases where servants embraced the faith of their employers, and slaves that of their master, and in many cases became co-martyrs.