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Trump can be irritating but his numerous successes are a reality.
 

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I think the Professor (Paul Clark) who NPR interviewed echoed the same thing I've said for the past 2 years... which is that for a lot of working class people, they're not purely prioritizing economic issues anymore amid the backdrop of some of the social issues really testing the fragile boundaries of the Overton Window (and at a rapid pace)

PAUL CLARK: It predates Trump, but I think Trump really tapped into it and accelerated the transition. I think the economic issues are certainly part of it. These workers feel like they've been left behind. Globalization has benefited many groups, but not them. There's a certain resentment and anger, and I think Trump has tapped into that. I also think that he's touched on some changes in terms of working-class voters prioritizing social and cultural issues - DEI and racial issues, the number of immigrants coming into many working-class communities, transgenderism, guns, abortion. Trump has really become a part of working-class culture in this country.


The James Carville "it's the economy, stupid" only works if boundaries aren't getting tested in a bunch of other avenues.

While he certainly got a lot of mileage out of that quote when he coined it back in the 90's, Bill Clinton (and the people who supported him) weren't pushing the boundaries on a bunch of other things.


All other things being equal, that catch phrase works perfectly.

But what about when all other things aren't equal, how does that play out?

Democrats have been the party of "social progress" for quite some time (since right after the Southern Strategy)

But that has always been a "thread the needle" type of situation. Where they have to present a package that finds the right balance of "how much (sometimes unpopular to the masses) social change can I push for, that it doesn't negate the superior economic benefit I'm providing to the working and middle class"


To highlight the extreme polar opposite ends of that spectrum:

"I'm not going to change anything on social issues or even have an opinion on them, we'll keep the status quo, but these are the policies I have that'll put an extra $6/hour in the pockets of working class Americans"
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"I'm going to legalize heroin, lower the age of consent to 12, and legalize polygamy...but I'll get you an $6/hour raise"

Neither of those are going to be a winning formula, because people do have interests in both...

The key is finding the right mix of "how much social change are some people willing to accept in exchange for better economic situations"

I would suggest that Bill Clinton and Obama were able to tread that needle correctly, Democrats circa 2022 through present have not.
 
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Trump can be irritating but his numerous successes are a reality.
Being a President right now is a very difficult job. I'm glad if they can be civil with one another.
 
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Being a President right now is a very difficult job. I'm glad if they can be civil with one another.
It’s so sad when the oligarchs fight. Must be so hard for them.
 
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Being a President right now is a very difficult job.
Idk. Our president is 80 and golfs every weekend. It doesn’t seem like it’s that hard of a job.
 
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I cannot believe you are including a 1 year old article and make it seem like you are making a point here.
I think the Professor (Paul Clark) who NPR interviewed echoed the same thing I've said for the past 2 years... which is that for a lot of working class people, they're not purely prioritizing economic issues anymore amid the backdrop of some of the social issues really testing the fragile boundaries of the Overton Window (and at a rapid pace)

PAUL CLARK: It predates Trump, but I think Trump really tapped into it and accelerated the transition. I think the economic issues are certainly part of it. These workers feel like they've been left behind. Globalization has benefited many groups, but not them. There's a certain resentment and anger, and I think Trump has tapped into that. I also think that he's touched on some changes in terms of working-class voters prioritizing social and cultural issues - DEI and racial issues, the number of immigrants coming into many working-class communities, transgenderism, guns, abortion. Trump has really become a part of working-class culture in this country.


The James Carville "it's the economy, stupid" only works if boundaries aren't getting tested in a bunch of other avenues.

While he certainly got a lot of mileage out of that quote when he coined it back in the 90's, Bill Clinton (and the people who supported him) weren't pushing the boundaries on a bunch of other things.


All other things being equal, that catch phrase works perfectly.

But what about when all other things aren't equal, how does that play out?

Democrats have been the party of "social progress" for quite some time (since right after the Southern Strategy)

But that has always been a "thread the needle" type of situation. Where they have to present a package that finds the right balance of "how much (sometimes unpopular to the masses) social change can I push for, that it doesn't negate the superior economic benefit I'm providing to the working and middle class"


To highlight the extreme polar opposite ends of that spectrum:

"I'm not going to change anything on social issues or even have an opinion on them, we'll keep the status quo, but these are the policies I have that'll put an extra $6/hour in the pockets of working class Americans"
<----->
"I'm going to legalize heroin, lower the age of consent to 12, and legalize polygamy...but I'll get you an $6/hour raise"

Neither of those are going to be a winning formula, because people do have interests in both...

The key is finding the right mix of "how much social change are some people willing to accept in exchange for better economic situations"

I would suggest that Bill Clinton and Obama were able to tread that needle correctly, Democrats circa 2022 through present have not.
I saw mini documentary where Bernie goes to rural West Virginia...it's pretty clear that the Democrats 100% abandoned the working party.

You can argue that it has to do with other social causes that became their focus, but Dems simply have done ALMOST nothing for them.

And they became desperate enough to believe Trump and Republicans. I'm not sure why but it sure seems to be the case.
 
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Idk. Our president is 80 and golfs every weekend. It doesn’t seem like it’s that hard of a job.
He's 79. He will be 82 when he leaves office.
 
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I saw mini documentary where Bernie goes to rural West Virginia...it's pretty clear that the Democrats 100% abandoned the working party.

You can argue that it has to do with other social causes that became their focus, but Dems simply have done ALMOST nothing for them.

And they became desperate enough to believe Trump and Republicans. I'm not sure why but it sure seems to be the case.

So you're suggesting that they're not even doing the thing in the right hand side of the equation (offering the benefit of boosted economic perks to the working class)

In that case, that would only amplify the fixation on the social issues then

"Republicans are giving me nada, Democrats are giving me nada, -- economically, it's a wash" only leaves the social issues to focus on.

And it goes without saying, the social views are much more conservative in the rural south.


"Would you be willing to tolerate some DEI bathroom stuff in exchange for some union protections and a $3 increase to the minimum wage?" would be a tough enough sell as it is in rural WV. Trying to get it through with, as you said, zero discernable economic benefit would be basically impossible.
 
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What a difference a year makes!

www.npr.org/2024/11/14/nx-s1-5183060/why-working-class-voters-have-been-shifting-toward-the-republican-party
If I understand correctly, historically, Republicans have usually been quite wealthy, and the Democratic voters have been on the working class/not as wealthy? How have times changed...
 
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