SLOTKIN STUMPED! Senator Admits She's 'Not Aware' of Any 'Illegal' Orders From Trump to Military [WATCH]

[Valletta]

The POTUS could have responded, "well, of course. All members carry out my legal orders." Instead, he lashed out....

A favorite of the major media, when Trump responds he "lashes out." If someone mentions in a conversation that military members don't have to obey orders that are illegal, like I have here, there's nothing wrong with that. It's quite another thing to make an announcement against the President of the United States, suggesting that he gives illegal orders and indicating a group of Congressman will have the back of someone who refuses to follow orders. Not surprisingly it was referred to as seditious behavior. I stated that I did not believe any of them would be charged. However, if they persist on this path, openly encouraging members of the military to defy the president, in my opinion they should be charged. This was a poor response by Kelly, to me it makes a court martial more likely than before.

 

[RDKirk]

Millions of people have done their required duty, many of them highly decorated and honorable people who never attacked the chain of A military career does not give them the right to undermine the chain of command of the elected President of the United States. Sedition has serious consequences. If Mr. Kelly persists he will have his day before a court martial.

UCMJ Article 94: Sedition

Definition: Engaging in a revolt, violence, or other disturbance against lawful authority.

A military prosecutor who tried to bring that charge to court-martial would be laughed at.

 

[Valletta]

UCMJ Article 94: Sedition

Definition: Engaging in a revolt, violence, or other disturbance against lawful authority.

A military prosecutor who tried to bring that charge to court-martial would be laughed at.

Seditious behavior is what took place.
AI Overview
Sedition as a political crime

• Definition:
  It refers to actions or expressions intended to incite insurrection against the government, such as speech or writing that promotes public disorder or contempt for government authority.
• Legal implications:
  In many legal systems, sedition is a crime. For example, the U.S. law defines "seditious conspiracy" as an agreement between two or more people to use force to overthrow or destroy the U.S. government or to oppose its authority.
• Historical context:
  Historically, sedition laws have been used to suppress political dissent. The Sedition Act of 1798 in the United States, for example, made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government.
• Distinction from free speech:
  There is a distinction between criticizing government policy (which is protected under free speech) and inciting violence or rebellion against the government (which can be considered sedition).

Realize judges and attorneys often disagree on the law, we will wait and see if he persists and what charges may be brought.

 

[RDKirk]

Seditious behavior is what took place.
AI Overview
Sedition as a political crime

• Definition:
  It refers to actions or expressions intended to incite insurrection against the government, such as speech or writing that promotes public disorder or contempt for government authority.
• Legal implications:
  In many legal systems, sedition is a crime. For example, the U.S. law defines "seditious conspiracy" as an agreement between two or more people to use force to overthrow or destroy the U.S. government or to oppose its authority.
• Historical context:
  Historically, sedition laws have been used to suppress political dissent. The Sedition Act of 1798 in the United States, for example, made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government.
• Distinction from free speech:
  There is a distinction between criticizing government policy (which is protected under free speech) and inciting violence or rebellion against the government (which can be considered sedition).

Realize judges and attorneys often disagree on the law, we will wait and see if he persists and what charges may be brought.

Do you realize I quoted the actual law and you quoted an AI blurb?

 

[NxNW]

Everyone knows you don't have to do anything illegal.

So what's the problem?

Understand that the president is commander in chief, many presidents have conducted military operations. In fact, the U.S. has only declared war only 5 times in U.S. history, the last in World War II. The problem is that this group does not like to see Trump's successes

What successes?

I know the Pentagon has launched an investigation into Mark Kelly's actions,

What actions?

but I don't think they will be charged with sedition in this case. I do think if they try again charges will be brought. If members of Congress want to support the terrorists in these incidents they should bring a lawsuit against Trump.

What terrorists?

 

[NxNW]

Millions of people have done their required duty, many of them highly decorated and honorable people who never attacked the chain of A military career does not give them the right to undermine the chain of command of the elected President of the United States. Sedition has serious consequences. If Mr. Kelly persists he will have his day before a court martial.

He's done nothing to that effect.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do you realize I quoted the actual law and you quoted an AI blurb?

Some people think AIs are smarter than the average person. They have it backward.

 

[Valletta]

UCMJ Article 94: Sedition

Definition: Engaging in a revolt, violence, or other disturbance against lawful authority.

A military prosecutor who tried to bring that charge to court-martial would be laughed at.

What is sedition?​

Simply put, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a bipartisan think tank, sedition "is conduct or speech that incites individuals to violently rebel against the authority of the government."

Is sedition a crime?​

Yes. In the U.S. Code, under 18 U.S.C. § 2384, sedition is characterized as "seditious conspiracy," which is defined as:

"Two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspir(ing) to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority."

What is sedition? The laws, penalties and legitimacy of Trump's claims

Here’s a brief look at what sedition is under U.S. law, the penalties, and whether the lawmakers will face charges.

www.wbaltv.com

 

[Valletta]

Do you realize I quoted the actual law and you quoted an AI blurb?

Do you realize I quote an AI overview and you quoted just one law?

 

[RDKirk]

Do you realize I quote an AI overview and you quoted just one law?

Nobody will be charged under the AI overview.

 

[RDKirk]

What is sedition?​

Simply put, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a bipartisan think tank, sedition "is conduct or speech that incites individuals to violently rebel against the authority of the government."

Is sedition a crime?​

Yes. In the U.S. Code, under 18 U.S.C. § 2384, sedition is characterized as "seditious conspiracy," which is defined as:

"Two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspir(ing) to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority."

What is sedition? The laws, penalties and legitimacy of Trump's claims

Here’s a brief look at what sedition is under U.S. law, the penalties, and whether the lawmakers will face charges.

www.wbaltv.com

In both the UCMJ and the US code, it is made perfectly clear that "force" must be involved in sedition. This is the essential factor that keeps the actual sedition laws free from violating the Bill of Rights.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do you realize I quote an AI overview and you quoted just one law?

He quoted the particular law Hegseth/Trump are threatening Sen. Kelly under -- the one that applies to the UCMJ. All other definitions are irrelevant.

 

[durangodawood]

Nobody will be charged under the AI overview.

Not yet.....