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Yes. As I've shared before, I wouldn't be here if it weren't for the ACA.
Thats it? The ACA? All that you wrote regarding how terrible and racist the republicans are had to do with the. ACA? The rest of your life is way better and its all due to the ACA? It seemed like you were talking about a lot of things beside the ACA.

By the way, I am glad you are okay. My friend wasnt helped by the ACA.
 
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Thats it? The ACA? All that you wrote regarding how terrible and racist the republicans are had to do with the. ACA? The rest of your life is way better and its all due to the ACA? It seemed like you were talking about a lot of things beside the ACA.

By the way, I am glad you are okay. My friend wasnt helped by the ACA.
I was speaking of more and I had 3 paragraphs typed out to reply to this, but I don't think it matters. I'm sorry things didn't work out for your friend.
 
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Do you want to deport all illegal aliens?
I married an illegal alien (student visa overstay, long since a citizen). The DACCA/Dreamers are illegal - I do not want them deported. I admire the people who fought hard to get here and make a decent life for themselves. They show more gumption than a lot of native born Americans. They are my friends and neighbors.

I hope you don't intend to morph this into "So you don't want to deport any illegal aliens" or your favorite straw man, "So you think the US has to accept all good immigrants".
 
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Op/Ed: ICE is grabbing U.S. citizens, defying its own rules and the Constitution

Dayanne Figueroa was on her way to work in Chicago last month when she drove onto a street where an immigration enforcement action was in progress. As she attempted to drive around the chaos, an unmarked vehicle collided with her car. Masked men jumped out of the vehicle, guns drawn and dragged Figueroa from her car by her legs. She was thrown into a minivan, taken away and held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement for hours. Dayanne Figueroa is an American citizen.

Figueroa’s case is not an isolated incident. The nonprofit newsroom ProPublica hasdocumented more than 170 cases of U.S. citizens, mostly Latinos, being detained at raids and protests since January.

The wrongful arrest of U.S. citizens by immigration agents is not new; it happened under Presidents Biden and Obama, and during President Trump’s first term. What is new is that Homeland Security and ICE are dramatically ramping up enforcement actions, while operating with less oversight than in the past. This has resulted in greater potential for mistakes — and for more traumatized or injured Americans.

The government denies that these episodes are happening. “There’s no American citizens that have been arrested or detained,” Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said in October. “[Her statement] also is contradicted by Homeland Security press releases explaining why some citizens have been arrested or detained.

When citizens are arrested by immigration agents, it is frequently on the grounds of assaulting or impeding officers. The ProPublica report, however, found that such charges often were dismissed later or dropped. [Figueroa was never charged.]
 
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I will repeat myself. If you self deport you are eligible to apply to return. You don't have to lie.
Although evidence shows that those who entered the US illegally must report this on immigration forms, you still claim they're eligible to return. This suggests an unwillingness to accept facts that challenge your stance on self-deportation and legal entry. Repeating this view seems to ignore both the information provided and empathy for these individuals, prioritizing deportation over objective assessment.

 
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Circumstances are changing constantly.
Again, if the only circumstance that are changing constantly is whether it is you or me, then the problem is hypocrisy. If not, then this is a different question.
Nobody said only criminals.
True, it was simply stated the ICE would be going after criminals, with the unspoken "only" being strongly implied.
 
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You frame it as though "they have to lie". Wouldn't honesty be the Christian approach here, even if it means being denied entry into the US? Or are immigrants are not bound by Christian moral standards?

Everyone should always provide truthful information on immigration forms. Anyone who has entered the US or overstayed their visa and then left must disclose this when applying for a US entry visa again. Admitting to violating US immigration law typically results in automatic denial of future entry to the US. And you are right that is the Christian thing to do.

Christians in America who insist undocumented immigrants, “You should self-deport, go back to your country, and then return legally,” they should be honest about their statements. If they advise someone to self-deport, they ought to clarify that coming back may not be possible. Many Americans who recommend self-deportation are not being truthful with the undocumented about the reality of returning legally. This lack of honesty is not consistent with Christian values.
 
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True, it was simply stated the ICE would be going after criminals, with the unspoken "only" being strongly implied.
And then the next move was that they're all criminals.
 
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Again, if the only circumstance that are changing constantly is whether it is you or me, then the problem is hypocrisy. If not, then this is a different question.

True, it was simply stated the ICE would be going after criminals, with the unspoken "only" being strongly implied.

The only circumstance that has changed is that today one of the leading political parties and its supporters advocate for deporting millions of undocumented immigrants and further restricting legal immigration to the United States. However, all other factors suggest that America should consider increased legal immigration, which could contribute to economic stability.

Disclaimer: these stats are generated by AI, so take the fact with some grain of salt. But if you look up some reputable source like brooking insinuate or similar institute they all have similar numbers.


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Labor Force Projections​

Without new immigrants, the US labor force would shrink and age rapidly. Native-born population growth is below replacement level, leading to a declining workforce.

YearWith ImmigrationNo ImmigrationDifference
2025168163-5
2040175157-18
2055182150-32
Chart 1: US Labor Force by Age Group (No Immigration Scenario)

  • Under 25: Shrinks by 20% by 2055
  • 25-54: Declines by 15%
  • 55+: Increases by 30% (aging workforce)

Economic Growth Impact​

Immigrants drive GDP growth by increasing the labor supply and contributing to productivity. The absence of immigrants would result in slower economic expansion.

PeriodWith ImmigrationNo Immigration
2025–20352.01.3
2036–20451.81.0
2046–20551.60.8
Key Facts:

  • Immigrants accounted for nearly 50% of labor force growth from 2000–2020.
  • Without immigrants, annual GDP growth could fall below 1% by 2055.
  • Labor productivity may stagnate due to reduced entrepreneurship and innovation.

Demographic Shifts​

Immigration helps counteract population aging and supports a balanced dependency ratio (the number of working-age people relative to dependents).

YearWith ImmigrationNo Immigration
20251718
20402125
20552329
Chart 2: Dependency Ratio (Dependents per 100 Working-Age Adults)

  • With immigration: 65 by 2055
  • No immigration: 80 by 2055 (higher burden on working population)

Sectoral Impacts​

Some industries rely heavily on immigrant labor. The absence of new immigrants would intensify labor shortages, particularly in:

  • Agriculture: Up to 50% of farmworkers are immigrants.
  • Healthcare: 1 in 4 direct care workers is foreign-born.
  • Technology: Immigrants make up 24% of STEM workers and co-found over 40% of Fortune 500 firms.
  • Construction, Hospitality, Food Services: High reliance on immigrant labor for growth and operations.


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However, it's impossible to persuade MAGA supporters of any of these facts. They show absolutely no interest in them. After ten rounds of messages, I couldn't convince even one person that, on the US immigration forum, applicants must disclose whether they were previously in the USA. If we can't convince someone about official US government requirements, I seriously doubt they would understand or accept complicated US economic projections for the next thirty years.

Fortunately, most of us only need to put up with this situation for another 14 months. Hispanic voters, young voters, and some Black voters who supported the GOP in 2024 have come to realize that the current administration's policies are detrimental both to their communities and to the country as a whole. By 2027, Congress will shift its balance of power, and the GOP is unlikely to win another presidential election unless they completely overhaul themselves and join the rest of us in embracing the 21st century.
 
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