Trump plan for peace in Ukraine leaked; calls for Ukraine to cede additional territory, cut military forces. US Ukraine envoy to leave role

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Scoop: Trump plan asks Ukraine to cede additional territory for security guarantee​

The new Trump plan to end the war in Ukraine would grant Russia parts of eastern Ukraine it does not currently control, in exchange for a U.S. security guarantee for Ukraine and Europeagainst future Russian aggression, a U.S. official with direct knowledge told Axios.

New Trump peace proposal for Ukraine could require land concessions and military reduction, source says​

A new peace proposal for Ukraine drafted by the Trump administration could envision the country ceding the eastern Donbas region and limiting the size of its military in exchange for security guarantees from the United States, according to a Western official familiar with the ideas under discussion.

The 28-point plan, which President Donald Trump has reviewed and supports, is the White House’s latest attempt to bring Russia’s war in Ukraine to an end. Some of the proposal’s provisions — including territorial concessions in areas not currently held by Russia — have previously been nonstarters with the Ukrainians. But US officials see a new window of opportunity to restart peace discussions.

The plan is still in the framework stage, and its many points haven’t been finalized. CNN has not reviewed the proposal.

Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg ‘quits’ after plan for US peace leaked​

Donald Trump’s Ukraine envoy Lt Gen Keith Kellogg is leaving the role, it has emerged hours after a US plan to end the war leaked.

Lt Gen Kellogg, 81, is expected to step down as US special envoy in January in a departure that will deal a hammer blow to Kyiv’s diplomatic efforts to end the war on favourable terms.

The retired general has been a key advocate for Ukraine inside the Trump administration at a time when the White House’s support for Kyiv has dwindled.

 

[Nithavela]

"Wanna surrender now?"

 

[Richard T]

Scoop: Trump plan asks Ukraine to cede additional territory for security guarantee​

The new Trump plan to end the war in Ukraine would grant Russia parts of eastern Ukraine it does not currently control, in exchange for a U.S. security guarantee for Ukraine and Europeagainst future Russian aggression, a U.S. official with direct knowledge told Axios.

New Trump peace proposal for Ukraine could require land concessions and military reduction, source says​

A new peace proposal for Ukraine drafted by the Trump administration could envision the country ceding the eastern Donbas region and limiting the size of its military in exchange for security guarantees from the United States, according to a Western official familiar with the ideas under discussion.

The 28-point plan, which President Donald Trump has reviewed and supports, is the White House’s latest attempt to bring Russia’s war in Ukraine to an end. Some of the proposal’s provisions — including territorial concessions in areas not currently held by Russia — have previously been nonstarters with the Ukrainians. But US officials see a new window of opportunity to restart peace discussions.

The plan is still in the framework stage, and its many points haven’t been finalized. CNN has not reviewed the proposal.

Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg ‘quits’ after plan for US peace leaked​

Donald Trump’s Ukraine envoy Lt Gen Keith Kellogg is leaving the role, it has emerged hours after a US plan to end the war leaked.

Lt Gen Kellogg, 81, is expected to step down as US special envoy in January in a departure that will deal a hammer blow to Kyiv’s diplomatic efforts to end the war on favourable terms.

The retired general has been a key advocate for Ukraine inside the Trump administration at a time when the White House’s support for Kyiv has dwindled.

I don't understand why Trump is still so cozy with Russia. If he wants to broker a deal he needs the Ukraine and EU on board. This plan is DOA, perhaps serves only as propaganda to send Ukraine what they need. Germany has pledged over 10 billion to Ukraine, so I think such a surrender is still not around the corner. Ukraine is perhaps fortunate that this deal leaked.

 

[Larniavc]

It’s been a long 24 hours.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

It's only fair. Russia has lost a lot of men and equipment after Ukraine forced Russia to invade. Russia deserves some compensation for Ukraines aggression against a peaceful neighbor.

 

[Ellesmere]

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It's only fair. Russia has lost a lot of men and equipment after Ukraine forced Russia to invade. Russia deserves some compensation for Ukraines aggression against a peaceful neighbor.

THE BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM (1994)- the agreement that should have prevented the Ukraine/Russia conflict!

1) With the demise of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1991, Ukraine and the other 14 Republics would emerge as independent sovereign states!

2) Four of those former 15 republics, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and the Russian Federation all inherited nuclear stockpiles from the now defunct USSR - upon obtaining the status of a new nation in 1991, Ukraine also found itself to be the unwitting custodian of the world's 3rd largest stockpile of nuclear weapons!

3) The United States, United Kingdom and the Russian Federation proposed that Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine relinquish control of their aging nuclear weapons from the Soviet era in exchange for security guarantees - America agreed to provide political and economic support but would not commit to military intervention!

4) Some Ukrainians opposed handing over these nuclear weapons - given their nation's "tortured" relationship in the past with the former USSR, they argued that these stockpiles would provide the only viable deterrent to prevent aggression along the 1226 miles of joint international border that it shared with the Russian Federation!

5) The majority, however, would view the exchange of nuclear weapons for border security as their best option - Ukraine subsequently joined Belarus and Kazakhstan with all 3 former republics signing the Budapest Memorandum (1994) with the nuclear nations of the USA, UK and Russian Federation serving as guarantors!

6) Fast forward 20 years and in 2014 the Russian Federation reneges on the terms of Budapest Memorandum agreements by occupying the Crimean Peninsula and then promoting civilian unrest in Ukraine's eastern provinces west of the Russian border - perhaps with the added assistance of Putin's military dressed as Ukrainian civilians!

7) In 2022, the Russian Federation directed its military to invade all of Ukraine - after occupying approximately 20% of that nation's territory that included 3 to 4 million inhabitants, the war then degenerated into a standoff, a 21st C version of trench warfare from WW1!

8) Within this context, its paifully obvious that Trump is totally committed to imposing a peace treaty on Ukraine, any peace treaty - given that Russia's Putin has proven virtually impossible to manipulate, the pressure from the White House will be placed on Zelensky to provide this American President with an agreement that will in turn fuel his personal campaign to lobby for his real priority - the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize!

9) President Trump and his Administration appear oblivious to the fact that as a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum, with its exchange of nuclear stockpiles for preserving border security - why should Ukraine which is already in total compliance with the terms of the Memorandum, now be expected to provide additional concessions to the one member that has actually violated it repeatedly?

10) While not providing direct military intervention, America's first priority should be providing Ukraine with all the considerable political, economic and military support at its disposal that would pressure Putin to return to Ukraine's original 1991 borders - which were supposedly already guaranteed under the terms of the Memorandum!

11) Given that Putin already has a history of not honoring past signed agreements, why should the Ukraine allow itself to be pressured by the Trump Administration's into accepting a bad peace agreement, only to find itself in a similar position at some later date - once again negotiating with an adversary that can't be trusted and with supposed allies that continue not to hold the Russian Federation accountable for its actions!

12) With the continued proliferation of nations having nuclear weapons, the problems that continue to plague Ukraine, despite having signed the Budapest Memorandums, will only make those nations in the future that may find themselves confronted, under similar circumstances, all the more reluctant to dispense with their stockpiles - given its role as a deterrent in discouraging nations from engaging in military incursions into a neighbor's territory!

 

[High Fidelity]

So basically the U.S. is holding a gun at Ukraine's head with one hand and offering them a pen to sign with the other.

Russia and the U.S. will benefit at the expense of Ukraine.

 

[Nithavela]

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THE BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM (1994)- the agreement that should have prevented the Ukraine/Russia conflict!

1) With the demise of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1991, Ukraine and the other 14 Republics would emerge as independent sovereign states!

2) Four of those former 15 republics, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and the Russian Federation all inherited nuclear stockpiles from the now defunct USSR - upon obtaining the status of a new nation in 1991, Ukraine also found itself to be the unwitting custodian of the world's 3rd largest stockpile of nuclear weapons!

3) The United States, United Kingdom and the Russian Federation proposed that Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine relinquish control of their aging nuclear weapons from the Soviet era in exchange for security guarantees - America agreed to provide political and economic support but would not commit to military intervention!

4) Some Ukrainians opposed handing over these nuclear weapons - given their nation's "tortured" relationship in the past with the former USSR, they argued that these stockpiles would provide the only viable deterrent to prevent aggression along the 1226 miles of joint international border that it shared with the Russian Federation!

5) The majority, however, would view the exchange of nuclear weapons for border security as their best option - Ukraine subsequently joined Belarus and Kazakhstan with all 3 former republics signing the Budapest Memorandum (1994) with the nuclear nations of the USA, UK and Russian Federation serving as guarantors!

6) Fast forward 20 years and in 2014 the Russian Federation reneges on the terms of Budapest Memorandum agreements by occupying the Crimean Peninsula and then promoting civilian unrest in Ukraine's eastern provinces west of the Russian border - perhaps with the added assistance of Putin's military dressed as Ukrainian civilians!

7) In 2022, the Russian Federation directed its military to invade all of Ukraine - after occupying approximately 20% of that nation's territory that included 3 to 4 million inhabitants, the war then degenerated into a standoff, a 21st C version of trench warfare from WW1!

8) Within this context, its paifully obvious that Trump is totally committed to imposing a peace treaty on Ukraine, any peace treaty - given that Russia's Putin has proven virtually impossible to manipulate, the pressure from the White House will be placed on Zelensky to provide this American President with an agreement that will in turn fuel his personal campaign to lobby for his real priority - the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize!

9) President Trump and his Administration appear oblivious to the fact that as a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum, with its exchange of nuclear stockpiles for preserving border security - why should Ukraine which is already in total compliance with the terms of the Memorandum, now be expected to provide additional concessions to the one member that has actually violated it repeatedly?

10) While not providing direct military intervention, America's first priority should be providing Ukraine with all the considerable political, economic and military support at its disposal that would pressure Putin to return to Ukraine's original 1991 borders - which were supposedly already guaranteed under the terms of the Memorandum!

11) Given that Putin already has a history of not honoring past signed agreements, why should the Ukraine allow itself to be pressured by the Trump Administration's into accepting a bad peace agreement, only to find itself in a similar position at some later date - once again negotiating with an adversary that can't be trusted and with supposed allies that continue not to hold the Russian Federation accountable for its actions!

12) With the continued proliferation of nations having nuclear weapons, the problems that continue to plague Ukraine, despite having signed the Budapest Memorandums, will only make those nations in the future that may find themselves confronted, under similar circumstances, all the more reluctant to dispense with their stockpiles - given its role as a deterrent in discouraging nations from engaging in military incursions into a neighbor's territory!

Take note: acquire nuclear weapons and never let go of them.