the myth of flat earth debunked again

[prodromos]

Nope, none at all.

The sun cannot rise or set on a flat earth. Rising and setting is exactly what would be observed on a rotating globe.

 

[FaithT]

You mean like every major character from the bible? Moses, the Prophets, Joshua (who prayed, and the sun stood still in the sky).

Yep. They didn’t know about science back then. Now I expect some odd rebuttal.

 

[FaithT]

I'm not interested in the flat earth debate, but I have driven from Brisbane to Perth and return three times (a long time ago).

It took about six days each way allowing for sufficient breaks between driving.

From Brisbane to Perth the road distance is about 4310 kilometres, so each day required about 718 kilometres (446 miles).

I've flown once with the distance being 3614 air kilometres or 2245 air miles. Flight time is about 5.25 hours. There's a two hour time difference so going from Brisbane to Perth we gained two hours, and lost two hours on the return trip.

It amazes me that there’s even anything to debate.

 

[Brother Del]

They didn’t know about science back then. Now I expect some odd rebuttal.

I think you're rebuttal was quite odd enough.

But what the heck, I'll play along. God who created everything, does He know science? If the heliocentric model were correct, then why would He give us so many messages in scripture clearly suggesting otherwise?

"They didn't know about science back then"

Only a person who knows nothing about science themselves could ever make such a remark with a straight face.

Believe whatever you want to believe, it makes no difference to me.

But do consider, Satan is a liar, that much we should agree upon at the very least. Most of the world works for him, that includes your average rocket scientist, big pharma exec, politician etc. It would be wise knowing as much, to judge the popular notions of a fallen world by it's fruit, rather than popular opinion.

Have a beautiful evening.

 

[Brother Del]

The sun cannot rise or set on a flat earth. Rising and setting is exactly what would be observed on a rotating globe.

 

[prodromos]

Oh great! Another person who responds with youtube videos that don't prove what he claims, instead of giving a reasoned response.
In the model you have presented, the sun will never rise or set, it will supposedly fade in and out of view. In your model the size of the sun should vary throughout the day, being smallest at dawn and dusk, and largest at noon. Instead, what we observe is that the sun remains exactly the same size throughout the day. Your model also fails to explain how the sun is visible in every part of Antarctic for 24hours a day during Summer.
So you have no argument. You fail.

 

[Brother Del]

Oh great! Another person who responds with youtube videos that don't prove what he claims, instead of giving a reasoned response.
In the model you have presented, the sun will never rise or set, it will supposedly fade in and out of view. In your model the size of the sun should vary throughout the day, being smallest at dawn and dusk, and largest at noon. Instead, what we observe is that the sun remains exactly the same size throughout the day. Your model also fails to explain how the sun is visible in every part of Antarctic for 24hours a day during Summer.
So you have no argument. You fail.

Sir, I have not failed. Because I wasn't trying to convince you of anything to begin with. I presented for your observation, an alternative view. Do with it what you will.

I have no arguments to make. Why would I argue with anyone about the shape of the earth? Especially when I know already that any such argument would surely be in vain.

Standing water is always level. The molecular structure of water does not allow for it to curve over a ball. That's not an argument, its an observation.

NASA actually means to deceive in Hebrew. Again, not an argument, just an observation.

No matter how far above the earth a person goes, the horizon always rises to eye level. This would not be so if the earth were a ball. Another observation.

Satan is a liar, and the whole world, with the exception of a few faithful believers, are completely under his control. Now that's an argument. And it cannot be refuted.

Believe what you will. Search the scriptures. Draw your own conclusions. Or trust what you have always been told. It matters not to me one iota. Neither will it even slightly diminish the love I have for you in Christ.

Be well. Be blessed. Be at peace.

 

[Brother Del]

At least they had excuses. The proper shape of the Earth was not yet known in their world. What is your excuse?

I wasn't aware I needed an excuse. I see no evidence supporting the heliocentric model. I do however see a wealth of evidence to the contrary.

Believe what you will.

I'm not here to prove anything.

I'm simply making observations.

 

[prodromos]

Sir, I have not failed.

Indeed you have.

Because I wasn't trying to convince you of anything to begin with. I presented for your observation, an alternative view. Do with it what you will.

I will discard it as it has no value. Nothing in it matches what we actually observe from day to day

I have no arguments to make.

A true statement.

Why would I argue with anyone about the shape of the earth? Especially when I know already that any such argument would surely be in vain.

Making false arguments are always in vain.

Standing water is always level. The molecular structure of water does not allow for it to curve over a ball. That's not an argument, its an observation.

It is not an observation, it is a claim. All one has to do is watch a large ship slowly disappear over the horizon to recognise water does indeed curve over the globe.

NASA actually means to deceive in Hebrew. Again, not an argument, just an observation.

No, it is a false claim. NASA is an acronym of English words which have no connection to Hebrew. The way it is pronounced is completely different to the Hebrew word. You are as bad if not worse than the people who claim Easter comes from Ishtar.

No matter how far above the earth a person goes, the horizon always rises to eye level.

Another false claim. All you are doing is calling the horizon, eye level. If you actually use an instrument to determine eye level, such as a water level or the top surface of a glass of water, then the higher you go in altitude, the further the horizon drops below eye level

This would not be so if the earth were a ball.

Since it doesn't do as you claim it actually proves the opposite. You fail again.

Satan is a liar, and the whole world, with the exception of a few faithful believers, are completely under his control. Now that's an argument. And it cannot be refuted.

Of course you consider yourself one of those few faithful believers. The fact is you have given yourself over to delusion

Believe what you will. Search the scriptures. Draw your own conclusions.

The Scriptures reveal he mystery of salvation. They do not reveal the shape of the earth. All observations confirm the globe earth and nullify the nonsense that is flat earth. Those who claim the earth is flat are self deluded.

Or trust what you have always been told.

No, always test.

It matters not to me one iota. Neither will it even slightly diminish the love I have for you in Christ.

Judging by your posts, there isn't much to diminish.

Be well. Be blessed. Be at peace.

And you also.

 

[prodromos]

I wasn't aware I needed an excuse. I see no evidence supporting the heliocentric model.

Our condolences. I don't think anyone understood you were blind.

I do however see a wealth of evidence to the contrary.

At least you have an imagination.

Believe what you will.

That which is true and honours God.

I'm not here to prove anything.

Just as well, since you haven't proved anything.

I'm simply making observations.

False claims are just that, false claims. They are not observations.

 

[Strong in Him]

Nope, none at all.

Neither is there any to support a flat earth - that is not the purpose of the Bible.

 

[Strong in Him]

NASA actually means to deceive in Hebrew. Again, not an argument, just an observation.

It's a false observation.

 

[Brother Del]

Of course you consider yourself one of those few faithful believers. The fact is you have given yourself over to delusion

The shape of the earth is not an issue that affects ones salvation.

I'll keep my delusions,and you can cling to your deceptions.

And I guess we will see who was correct in the end.

In the mean time, you should probably take a few deep breaths, this topic clearly excites you far more than it should.

And maybe try a little kindness the next time you respond. There's no need for insult and accusation.

Much love. Much peace.

 

[prodromos]

It's a false observation.

Here is how you pronounce the Hebrew word

נָשָׁא Pronunciation

How to say נָשָׁא in English? Pronunciation of נָשָׁא with 23 audio pronunciations and more for נָשָׁא.

www.howtopronounce.com

 

[Brother Del]

It's a false observation.

Strong's Number H5377 matches the Hebrew נָשָׁא (nāšā'),
refers to the root word נָשָׁא (nāšāʼ), pronounced naw-shaw', which is a primitive root meaning to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce.

Close enough for government work.

 

[prodromos]

The shape of the earth is not an issue that affects ones salvation.

Making a lot of false claims might.

I'll keep my delusions,and you can cling to your deceptions.

I am not deceived.

And I guess we will see who was correct in the end.

It's easy to see who is correct now.

In the mean time, you should probably take a few deep breaths, this topic clearly excites you far more than it should.

People jumping into threads and disparaging truth does upset me.

And maybe try a little kindness the next time you respond. There's no need for insult and accusation.

Maybe don't disparage other people's views

Much love. Much peace.

Words. Try to live up to them.

 

[prodromos]

pronounced naw-shaw'

Which is very different to N.A.S.A.

 

[Brother Del]

Making a lot of false claims might.

I am not deceived.

It's easy to see who is correct now.

People jumping into threads and disparaging truth does upset me.

Maybe don't disparage other people's views

Words. Try to live up to them.

I have not disparaged anyone's views. Neither have I been rude or insulting. You seem to think its fine to insult people and call them names when they disagree with you, and then get all excited when they respond in a similar fashion.

I don't think you are deceived, I'm certain of it. And you are just as certain that I am deluded and in danger losing my salvation, which is a bridge too far for me.

We can be polite, we can agree to disagree. Or you can continue being hostile and be ignored.

A very wise man once said, "always assume the person you are talking to knows something you don't, it makes for much better conversation, and you just might learn something"

This seems to be an almost existential issue for you, you should maybe meditate on that a bit.

 

[Brother Del]

Which is very different to N.A.S.A.

I was honest enough to post the transliteration and the pronunciation. Nice job omitting the evidence that supported my claim.

That's not very truthful.
And laughably ironic.

 

[Strong in Him]

Strong's Number H5377 matches the Hebrew נָשָׁא (nāšā'),
refers to the root word נָשָׁא (nāšāʼ), pronounced naw-shaw', which is a primitive root meaning to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce.

NASA is not a word in English. It stands for

National Aeronautics and Space Administration

In fact, if you use the "a" in "and" it becomes NAASA
The Hebrew word for "deceive" existed long before NASA was even thought of - even long before America existed.

Close enough for government work.

Oh dear; are you someone else who believes it is all a conspiracy and "they" are out to deceive us?
No doubt the people who started NASA thought, "hey, all our meticulous scientific work is all a big con; let's use the Hebrew word for 'deceive' to describe ourselves".