UN rapporteur on sexual violence denies Hamas raped women during Oct. 7 attacks

[Michie]

The Israeli ambassador to the United Nations has called on the international body to remove Reem Alsalem from her position as U.N. special rapporteur on violence against women and girls after she denied evidence that Hamas weaponized sexual violence against Israelis during its terrorist attacks two years ago.

Danny Danon, the Israeli ambassador to the U.N., declared in a Saturday statement on social media that “[a]ny U.N. representative who denies Hamas rape must be removed from their post. Period.”

“This is a moral disgrace, an insult to the victims and their families, and a violation of every basic international standard. Israel will not allow Hamas' horrific crimes to be whitewashed,” Danon continued.

Following Hamas’ Oct. 7 massacre that resulted in the slaughter of at least 1,200 people — including Americans — and the abduction of over 240 others, survivors of the attack and former hostages have shared stories about the sexual assaults and rapes the terror group committed against women.

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UN rapporteur on sexual violence denies Hamas raped women during Oct. 7 attacks

The Israeli ambassador to the United Nations has called on the international body to remove Reem Alsalem from her position as U N special rapporteur on violence against women and girls after she

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[Vambram]

The savage crimes of murder and rape by the Hamas savages can only be denied by people who live in an alternate reality.

 

[Vanellus]

It's the evidence (or lack of it) that counts

Lies and Truths Surrounding October 7th, 2023

The Black Dress: Unveiling the Truth About Rape, Sexual Assault on October 7

However, a special UN investigation which examined 5,000 photographs and 50 hours of footage from bodycams, dashcams, cellphones, CCTV, and traffic cameras didn't yield one single image of sexual violence. Additionally, the report states that the investigation could not locate any forensic evidence of sexual violence and the investigators were unable to meet with a single survivor of sexual violence on October 7th.

 

[Michie]

It's the evidence (or lack of it) that counts

Lies and Truths Surrounding October 7th, 2023

The Black Dress: Unveiling the Truth About Rape, Sexual Assault on October 7

I question your sources first. Second, you can research where many reputable sources say there is proof of sexual violence was indeed committed.

Hamas used sexual violence as part of 'genocidal strategy', Israeli experts say

The Dinah Project, an all-women group, lays out "a legal blueprint for prosecuting these crimes", which Hamas has denied committing.

www.bbc.com

Sexual and Gender-Based Violence​

1. What were the main Human Rights Watch findings regarding sexual and gender-based violence on October 7?

The extent to which acts of sexual and gender- based violence were committed during the October 7 assault will likely never be fully known. Many victims may have been killed; stigma and trauma often deter survivors from reporting; and Israeli security forces and other responders largely did not collect relevant forensic evidence from the attack sites or the recovered bodies. As such, Human Rights Watch has a limited understanding of the overall scale and nature of sexual and gender-based violence committed during the attacks.

Human Rights Watch’s investigation found evidence of acts of sexual and gender-based violence, including forced nudity, and the taking and the posting on social media, both without consent, of sexualized images. Human Rights Watch was not able to gather verifiable information through interviews with survivors of or witnesses to rape during the assault on October 7, and there is only one public account reportedly from such a survivor.

Human Rights Watch also refers to the findings of the office of the UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict and the UN Commission of Inquiry. The office of the UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, which interviewed people who reported witnessing rape and other sexual violence, concluded that there were “reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the October 7 attacks in multiple locations across Gaza periphery, including rape and gang rape, in at least three locations.”

The UN Commission of Inquiry investigation “documented cases indicative of sexual violence perpetrated against women and men in and around the Nova festival site, as well as the Nahal Oz military outpost and several kibbutzim, including Kfar Aza, Re’im and Nir Oz,” and “found indications that members of the military wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups committed gender-based violence (GBV) in several locations in southern Israel on 7 October.”

Available evidence did not permit Human Rights Watch to draw conclusions regarding the specific identity of those who committed crimes involving sexual and gender-based, or whether these crimes were planned by the Palestinian armed groups who ordered the attacks.

1. How did Human Rights Watch investigate allegations of sexual and gender-based violence?

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Questions and Answers: The Hamas-Led Armed Groups' October 7, 2023 Assault on Israel

Human Rights Watch research found that Palestinian armed groups involved in the assault on Israel on October 7, 2023, committed numerous violations of international humanitarian law – also known as the laws of war – that amount to war crimes.

www.hrw.org

 

[lismore]

Anti-Semitism rears it's ugly head again.

Nigeria's Christians are experiencing a genocide from Islamic terrorists and facing extinction:

Nigeria's Christians eye Trump as their last lifeline from extinction

Veteran activist Emeka Umeagbalasi describes a campaign of killings, kidnappings and church burnings, and reveals how Donald Trump can stop Nigeria becoming an Islamic state.

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There were crowds out on the streets of many Western cities protesting against Israel and shouting scary slogans of support for Hamas. No crowds are protesting against Islamic groups in regards to the Nigerian Genocide of our brothers and sisters. Why? Because virtue signallers only protest against Jews.

The UN couldn't find their rear end with both hands and an anatomy book. They're completely infiltrated by Islamism and extreme left fantasy.

God Bless All

 

[lismore]

It's the evidence (or lack of it) that counts

Not only did the beasts in the proscribed terrorist group Hamas attack women, they sexually assaulted men too:

Ex-hostage Guy Gilboa-Dalal reveals he was sexually abused | The Jerusalem Post

"He let me shower, and when I finished, he dragged me out of there and didn't let me put on my clothes," said former hostage Guy Gilboa Dalal in recent testimony about the abuse he suffered in Gaza.

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Hamas are proscribed for a reason, they're animals.

 

[Michie]

Not only did the beasts in the proscribed terrorist group Hamas attack women, they sexually assaulted men too:

Ex-hostage Guy Gilboa-Dalal reveals he was sexually abused | The Jerusalem Post

"He let me shower, and when I finished, he dragged me out of there and didn't let me put on my clothes," said former hostage Guy Gilboa Dalal in recent testimony about the abuse he suffered in Gaza.

www.jpost.com

Hamas are proscribed for a reason, they're animals.

Animals are better than that.

 

[Vanellus]

I question your sources first. Second, you can research where many reputable sources say there is proof of sexual violence was indeed committed.

Hamas used sexual violence as part of 'genocidal strategy', Israeli experts say

The Dinah Project, an all-women group, lays out "a legal blueprint for prosecuting these crimes", which Hamas has denied committing.

www.bbc.com

Sexual and Gender-Based Violence​

1. What were the main Human Rights Watch findings regarding sexual and gender-based violence on October 7?

The extent to which acts of sexual and gender- based violence were committed during the October 7 assault will likely never be fully known. Many victims may have been killed; stigma and trauma often deter survivors from reporting; and Israeli security forces and other responders largely did not collect relevant forensic evidence from the attack sites or the recovered bodies. As such, Human Rights Watch has a limited understanding of the overall scale and nature of sexual and gender-based violence committed during the attacks.

Human Rights Watch’s investigation found evidence of acts of sexual and gender-based violence, including forced nudity, and the taking and the posting on social media, both without consent, of sexualized images. Human Rights Watch was not able to gather verifiable information through interviews with survivors of or witnesses to rape during the assault on October 7, and there is only one public account reportedly from such a survivor.

Human Rights Watch also refers to the findings of the office of the UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict and the UN Commission of Inquiry. The office of the UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, which interviewed people who reported witnessing rape and other sexual violence, concluded that there were “reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the October 7 attacks in multiple locations across Gaza periphery, including rape and gang rape, in at least three locations.”

The UN Commission of Inquiry investigation “documented cases indicative of sexual violence perpetrated against women and men in and around the Nova festival site, as well as the Nahal Oz military outpost and several kibbutzim, including Kfar Aza, Re’im and Nir Oz,” and “found indications that members of the military wing of Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups committed gender-based violence (GBV) in several locations in southern Israel on 7 October.”

Available evidence did not permit Human Rights Watch to draw conclusions regarding the specific identity of those who committed crimes involving sexual and gender-based, or whether these crimes were planned by the Palestinian armed groups who ordered the attacks.

1. How did Human Rights Watch investigate allegations of sexual and gender-based violence?

Continued below.

Questions and Answers: The Hamas-Led Armed Groups' October 7, 2023 Assault on Israel

Human Rights Watch research found that Palestinian armed groups involved in the assault on Israel on October 7, 2023, committed numerous violations of international humanitarian law – also known as the laws of war – that amount to war crimes.

www.hrw.org

From Pramila Patten's Rape Fantasies: A Critical Analysis of the UN Report on Sexual Violence during the 7 October Attack | Israel Palestine News

“UN Special Representative Pramila Patten states in her report that her mission viewed fully 5,000 photographs and 50 hours of footage of the October 7 attack supplied to her by the Israeli government and available in open sources.​

“This digital evidence, from every conceivable angle and by every conceivable electronic device (bodycams, dashcams, individual cellphones, CCTV, and traffic surveillance cameras) DIDN’T YIELD ONE SINGLE IMAGE OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE.​

“The report also states that it COULDN’T LOCATE ANY FORENSIC EVIDENCE of sexual violence.​

“The report also states that it was UNABLE TO MEET A SINGLE SURVIVOR of sexual violence on October 7.​

“What does Patten then conclude? “There are reasonable grounds to believe that multiple incidents of rape, including gang rape, occurred.”​

Clearly this relates to the same statement by the same person. I wouldn't be calling for her to resign for the same reason it is ridiculous to give the call from Daniel Danon for resignation any credence. The UN represents nearly all countries and Danon only one - and that one with definite irons in the fire. I think it best not to get involved with the current move to undermine international institutions and prefer narrow nationalistic interests. The OP referred specifically to sexual assault and rape.

There is an obvious reason to portray the October 7 as worse than it was with unfounded allegations about beheaded babies etc. and the evidence is here in this thread: "animals", "savages". Other words have been used elsewhere as well. And for some people it's easy for them to transfer this dehumanising rhetoric to the entire population of Gaza. And then it's easy to justify the mass slaughter and destruction in Gaza over the last two years.

Hamas kill less than 1200 people and they are called "animals" and "savages"
IDF kills over 69.000 people in Gaza and they are called heroes. I don't agree that wearing an army uniform makes it ok to kill so many women and children.

If you have access to this video it provides plenty of evidence that many IDF soldiers were not heroes - just the opposite instead.

It might be available here:

"there are certainly soldiers and officers in the IDF who really, really want to kill all the Arabs. Really.That's the reason why they put on their uniforms"

Do supporters of Israel here agree with this?

 

[Michie]

Mmhmm. I’m not going to waste my time on this nonsense. You are in denial. Not much I can do about that.

AI summary

The primary group denying that rapes and other acts of sexual violence occurred during the October 7, 2023, attack on Israel is Hamas, the militant group that carried out the assault. These denials are also circulated by various individuals, activist groups, and publications online, often forming part of broader conspiracy theories or anti-Israel rhetoric.

Entities Denying Sexual Violence

• Hamas: The group has repeatedly and vehemently denied that its fighters engaged in systematic sexual violence or "mass rape," calling the allegations "unfounded lies" and Israeli propaganda.
• Online Activists and Publications: A campaign of denial has been pursued by certain pro-Palestinian websites, social media users, and some academic and journalistic figures who have questioned or sought to "debunk" accounts of sexual violence.
• Specific Individuals and Groups:Individuals cited in various reports as promoting these denial narratives include specific journalists, commentators, and social media activists. Some individuals, such as a Hebrew University professor, faced repercussions for public remarks that implied doubt about the assaults.

Context of the Denial
Denialism of sexual violence on October 7 has been widely reported by media outlets, human rights organizations, and antisemitism watchdogs like CyberWell.

• UN Findings: A UN fact-finding team concluded in a March 2024 report that there were "reasonable grounds to believe" that sexual violence, including rape and gang-rape, occurred during the attacks and that hostages taken to Gaza have been subjected to such violence, which may be ongoing.
• Evidence and Skepticism: The discussion has been complex due to challenges in collecting forensic evidence from chaotic and numerous crime scenes, where many victims were killed and bodies were moved or burned, and first responders lacked specific training for documenting sexual assault evidence. The initial emergence of some debunked accounts from first responders also fueled skepticism and denialist narratives online.
• Counter-evidence: Despite these challenges, a growing body of evidence, including witness testimonies, first-responder accounts, and video evidence, has been compiled by Israeli police, human rights organizations like Human Rights Watch, and the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel (ARCCI).

Organizations like the ARCCI have compiled detailed reports to present to international bodies like the United Nations, asserting that the evidence leaves "no room for denial or disregard".

 

[Vanellus]

Mmhmm. I’m not going to waste my time on this nonsense. You are in denial. Not much I can do about that.

A non irenic response that attacks me personally

AI summary

Hmm why are you so confident about "AI" which does not provide any actual hard evidence?

Have you watched the video? If not why not?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

So, the witnesses and victims of the Hamas attack on October 7, don't count?

 

[Michie]

A non irenic response that attacks me personally

Hmm why are you so confident about "AI" which does not provide any actual hard evidence?

Have you watched the video? If not why not?

I’ve read your posting history. It’s speaks for itself when it comes to this topic

You are providing antisemitic conspiracy sites and I won’t entertain it.

 

[Michie]

AI overview:

The website israelpalestinenews.org publishes articles that include content widely characterized by mainstream sources as highly biased and which sometimes features specific claims described as
conspiracy theories. It is considered a biased source by media watchdogs.
Specific points to consider regarding the site:

• Media Bias: The website is generally considered to have a strong pro-Palestinian bias and an anti-Israel stance. It openly criticizes mainstream media for pro-Israel bias and aims to provide an alternative narrative.
• Conspiracy Claims: The site has published articles with titles such as "The Global Zionist Organ Trafficking Conspiracy" and "Epstein–Ehud Barak Emails Indicate Mossad Ties". Such topics are often cited as examples of the site's willingness to publish content considered conspiratorial or lacking credible evidence by established news organizations and fact-checkers.
• Sourcing and Verification: The site explicitly states that it does not use certain sources as primary information and recommends that readers verify information across multiple, diverse sources because it views almost all media sources on the conflict as biased. However, the site itself does not always meet the standards of impartial fact-checkers like Snopes.com or Full Fact.

In summary, the site is known for promoting a specific, highly critical viewpoint of Israel and frequently features content that falls into the category of conspiracy theories according to major news outlets and independent fact-checking organizations.

 

[Michie]

AI overview:

If Americans Knew (IAK) is an advocacy organization focused on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and its reliability and fairness are subjects of significant debate
.
The organization states its mission is to provide information that is "accurate and undistorted" by bias, focusing on the human costs of U.S. financial and military support for Israel. It is highly critical of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and frequently accuses mainstream media organizations of being biased in favor of Israel.
However, the organization is widely described by critics and other sources as having a singular, strong bias against the state of Israel and American support for it.

• Partisan Stance: IAK operates with a clear, specific viewpoint on the conflict, aiming to influence U.S. policy through public education. InfluenceWatch, a non-profit transparency group, characterizes IAK as having one "singular issue area, namely criticizing American funding of the state of Israel".
• Criticism from within the movement: In 2015, organizations that typically share some common goals, such as Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) and the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, ended their associations with IAK founder Alison Weir due to concerns over expressions of antisemitism and other forms of racism within the movement. JVP issued a statement on its relationship with Alison Weir.
• Media coverage: IAK claims a "cover-up of appalling proportions" regarding the American connection to Israel and seeks to report news that is "unreported, under-reported, or misreported" by other sources. This suggests an acknowledgment of their own reporting as an alternative, rather than universally neutral, source of information.

In summary, IAK is a partisan source and its content should be evaluated with an understanding of its specific, critical advocacy mission regarding Israel/Palestine and U.S. policy. Readers should cross-reference information with a variety of sources to gain a balanced perspective on a complex and highly contentious topic.

 

[Vanellus]

I’ve read your posting history. It’s speaks for itself when it comes to this topic

You are providing antisemitic conspiracy sites and I won’t entertain it.

You mean like ITV and antisemitic IDF soldiers brave enough to tell the truth of what has been done in Gaza? Try looking at the video - it might be more enlightening than trawling through my posting history! Like haven't you got better things to do.

 

[Vanellus]

So, the witnesses and victims of the Hamas attack on October 7, don't count?

Er are you following me around on this forum? It seems like it. Do 69.000 dead Palestinians count for anything?

 

[Michie]

You mean like ITV and antisemitic IDF soldiers brave enough to tell the truth of what has been done in Gaza? Try looking at the video - it might be more enlightening than trawling through my posting history! Like haven't you got better things to do.

No not at the moment. Sorry.