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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

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It sounds like if we push him a little more, he'll destroy the insurance industry, so that could be a step in the right direction if we can replace it with a single government solution.
Do you think he grasps the concept that, if you give people money to buy insurance from "big, fat, rich insurance companies," you are, in fact, giving money to "big, fat, rich insurance companies"?
 
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Do you think he grasps the concept that, if you give people money to buy insurance from "big, fat, rich insurance companies," you are, in fact, giving money to "big, fat, rich insurance companies"?
He has transcended to another plane of intelligence; a mere mortal such as I cannot fathom the vast ocean of his comprehension.
 
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It sounds like if we push him a little more, he'll destroy the insurance industry, so that could be a step in the right direction if we can replace it with a single government solution.
This proposal has zero to do with healthcare. It is a federal welfare bonus check for those families who make under $100K. Someone has convinced Trump that folks are paying higher prices, primarily because of tariffs. Trump has lowered key food tariffs and now wants to send $2000 to middle class families so that they can afford to buy their daughers and granddaughters more than 2 dolls for Christmas.

I don't see why Democrats would oppose such payments.

I COULD see Trump proposing that support for Medicaid be sent directly to the people rather than to the states or insurance companies.
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If Trump TRULY want to fight the insurance companies and reduce their profits, he could propose eliminating the employer tax deduction for medical insurance. Companies should NOT be in the business of choosing insurance for their employees,
 
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Do you think he grasps the concept that, if you give people money to buy insurance from "big, fat, rich insurance companies," you are, in fact, giving money to "big, fat, rich insurance companies"?
Have you considered smaller insurers? Free competition is the key, Blacks Lives Matter, for example, can offer their members health care and share the cost between members. They can cap the salary of a CEO at $100,000 and put it in their bylaws that every employee must make at least half of the salary of the CEO in order to keep costs affordable for patients. Anyone can incorporate and offer those same salaries and go into health insurance only, with a goal of making health insurance affordable for everyone. A person should be able to CHOOSE insurance from companies other than the ones Obama and Pelosi decided to favor.
 
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There are many, many groups that offer insurance where the profits, if any, don't go to huge insurance companies. BTW, many religious insurance groups are out there.

Some deal with insurance companies. Some self-insure. There are many ways to choose NOT to send money to the top insurance companies.

 
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Have you considered smaller insurers?
Smaller insurers have a smaller risk pool by nature. Therefore, they must either be very choosy about who they accept (which is problematic for people with, say, pre-existing conditions) or charge a lot of money for their premiums because they lack the leverage to negotiate with providers and don't have a large pool of insured individuals to spread costs among. While they might be a good option for some people, they can't (and won't) insure everyone.
Free competition is the key,
The problem is that health insurance (and healthcare in general) doesn't operate on free market principles. You can't shop around for the best price or highest-rated hospital when you're having a heart attack or you suddenly go into labor or you run over your foot with a lawnmower. On the insurance side of things, as I said, smaller companies have to cut coverage or limit access in order to compete on price with the giant conglomerates. While that may look like a "free market" at a glance, offering lesser coverage (e.g. a catastrophic coverage policy rather than full coverage) or blocking the guy who has a family history of colon cancer is not something that we should be aspiring to.

Realistically, if you have the principle that everyone should receive medical care if and when they need it, the only thing that makes sense is a single-payer, government-run system.
Blacks Lives Matter, for example, can offer their members health care and share the cost between members. They can cap the salary of a CEO at $100,000 and put it in their bylaws that every employee must make at least half of the salary of the CEO in order to keep costs affordable for patients. Anyone can incorporate and offer those same salaries and go into health insurance only, with a goal of making health insurance affordable for everyone.
What's the incentive for that? The government has a good reason to want a healthy population, but a private corporation? Please. Moreover, it's far from simple to run such a company.
A person should be able to CHOOSE insurance from companies other than the ones Obama and Pelosi decided to favor.
The ACA does not restrict what companies are permitted to participate in the marketplace. They must offer plans that meet certain standards (e.g. no rejecting people based on pre-existing conditions, no lifetime benefit caps, etc), but there's nothing that says that Joe & Mary's Family Insurance Co. can't list their plans on the marketplace. The main reason why you only see plans from the "big, fat, rich insurance companies" on the marketplace is because they have a huge risk pool, and thus can offer better rates for plans that meet the ACA standard. And people buying their plans on the marketplace are going to look at two seemingly identical plans and pick the one that costs $500 less per month.
 
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