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I thought @prodromos mean''''''t someone on here.
Why would you think that?
Dean Odle and Rob Skiba aren't on these forums, so why would you assume I meant you had called people on these forums liars?
Given the context, I assume you are no longer denying being a hypocrite?
 
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I thought he mean''''''''t people on here, I'm not a mind reader.
You're not a context reader either, it seems. No wonder you misunderstand Genesis 1
 
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You may as well be talking double dutch to me. :scratch:



I thought he mean''''''''t people on here, I'm not a mind reader.
You’re going to pretend that you can’t understand a simple distance and time calculation?
 
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No wonder you can’t get your head around a globe earth. You can’t even get your head around distance and speed!
No I don’t believe that’s the case. I’ve seen her exhibit more than a high enough level of intelligence to comprehend such a middle school math problem. It’s just denial.
 
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You’re going to pretend that you can’t understand a simple distance and time calculation?
I don't think she is pretending. Mention any distance over 3000 miles and her eyes glaze over.
 
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The first link takes me to a site that mentions:

"Nixon and the People’s Republic of China: CIA’s Support of the Historic 1972 Presidential Trip"
"Harry Truman was the first U.S. president to receive a daily intelligence digest. At his direction, the Daily Summary began production in February 1946, and continued until February 1951. "
"The new Kennedy Administration confronted a full array of international issues in 1961."
"Aerial intelligence collection platforms have played a critical role in US national security from the earliest beginnings of aviation."
"The Collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe".

Nothing at all about what Russia knew or didn't know about the shape of the earth in 1948.

The second link takes me to exactly the same page as the first.

The third link takes me to a page headed, "Calculation of Wind Compensation for Launching of Unguided Rockets."

The fourth link takes me to a page with the title: "A method for reducing the sensitivity of optimal nonlinear systems to parameter uncertainty"

The fifth link page is headed: "Determination of angles of attack and sideslip from radar data and a roll-stabilized platform"

The sixth link has the heading: "Investigation of aircraft landing in variable wind fields"

Link seven brings up an error message: "404 The cosmic object you were looking for has disappeared beyond the event horizon."

The eighth link is headed: "Flight testing a V/STOL aircraft to identify a full-envelope aerodynamic model."

The ninth link brings up the same error message as link seven.

So out of the 9 links not a single one even mentions what Russia knew bout he earth's shape in 1948.
 
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I disagree, rob is no fraud or liar.
But it has just been explained to you how Rob's kit is based on falsehood. It's no good just saying that he is not a fraud. You need to tell us how you think his kit works accurately in view of what has been explained here about defraction.
 
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The first link takes me to a site that mentions:

"Nixon and the People’s Republic of China: CIA’s Support of the Historic 1972 Presidential Trip"
"Harry Truman was the first U.S. president to receive a daily intelligence digest. At his direction, the Daily Summary began production in February 1946, and continued until February 1951. "
"The new Kennedy Administration confronted a full array of international issues in 1961."
"Aerial intelligence collection platforms have played a critical role in US national security from the earliest beginnings of aviation."
"The Collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe".

Nothing at all about what Russia knew or didn't know about the shape of the earth in 1948.

The second link takes me to exactly the same page as the first.

The third link takes me to a page headed, "Calculation of Wind Compensation for Launching of Unguided Rockets."

The fourth link takes me to a page with the title: "A method for reducing the sensitivity of optimal nonlinear systems to parameter uncertainty"

The fifth link page is headed: "Determination of angles of attack and sideslip from radar data and a roll-stabilized platform"

The sixth link has the heading: "Investigation of aircraft landing in variable wind fields"

Link seven brings up an error message: "404 The cosmic object you were looking for has disappeared beyond the event horizon."

The eighth link is headed: "Flight testing a V/STOL aircraft to identify a full-envelope aerodynamic model."

The ninth link brings up the same error message as link seven.

So out of the 9 links not a single one even mentions what Russia knew bout he earth's shape in 1948.

If you watched the video these links provide all the info too what Rob is talking about, not just the Russians.
 
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No I don’t believe that’s the case. I’ve seen her exhibit more than a high enough level of intelligence to comprehend such a middle school math problem. It’s just denial.

In denial of what ? If you mean the globe well yes I am, very much so.
 
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If you watched the video these links provide all the info too what Rob is talking about.
I have just watched the video, and found that the documents he refers to and shows in the video are nothing like the ones you listed. Not one of your nine links mentions the shape of the earth or what Russia knew or didn't know about it in 1948.
 
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But it has just been explained to you how Rob's kit is based on falsehood. It's no good just saying that he is not a fraud. You need to tell us how you think his kit works accurately in view of what has been explained here about defraction.

And you need to watch the video. :)
 
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I have just watched the video, and found that the documents he refers to and shows in the video are nothing like the ones you listed. Not one of your nine links mentions the shape of the earth or what Russia knew or didn't know about it in 1948.

I know, so why do you think he posted them ?
 
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And you need to watch the video. :)
I don't have time to watch all the videos you post. Why can you not just tell me in your own words how his kit works correctly, when he instructs people to look through the wrong part of the lens?
 
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I know, so why do you think he posted them ?
I have absolutely no idea, as they don't relate to Russia's knowledge or lack of knowledge in 1948 about the earth's shape. Here is the content of the first link, as an example of what I mean. Perhaps you could indicate where that link says anything about Russia's knowledge of the earth's shape:

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The Nixon Collection
Aquiline Aquiline
Nixon and the People’s Republic of China: CIA’s Support of the Historic 1972 Presidential Trip
This collection marks the 50th anniversary of President Richard M. Nixon’s February 1972 trip to the People’s Republic of China (PRC) – a landmark event that preceded the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries. This small collection, consisting of three city guides, an atlas, and four leadership profiles, is a subset of the materials CIA produced for President Nixon and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger in preparation for the seven-day visit.
City guides were produced on Peking (Beijing), Shanghai, and Hang-Chou (Hangzhou)1, as these cities were part of President Nixon’s tour of the PRC. Each guide included a brief history of the city, contemporary maps and photographs, and descriptions of geography, climates, and points of interest.
CIA also produced an 82-page atlas of the PRC for President Nixon’s trip. The US government distributed more than 4,000 copies to government customers and non-government institutions and libraries, and sold 30,000 copies to the public for a short period after the trip for $5.25, or $35.19 in today’s dollars. This is the first time in fifty years CIA has made the atlas available to the public.
This collection also includes leadership profiles—assessments that CIA provides US Presidents and other policymakers to assist them in understanding their foreign counterparts. The profiles in this collection include Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Chairman Mao Tse-tung (Mao Zedong) and Premier Chou En-lai (Zhou Enlai). A profile of Lin Piao (Lin Biao), Vice Chair of the CCP, prepared for this trip is also included in this collection; however, Lin died in a plane crash five months before President Nixon’s visit.

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1 CIA did not begin using the non-Romanization spelling of Beijing and Hangzhou until 1979. This article provides updated spellings elsewhere in parentheses.
See The Nixon Collection (8 documents/331 pages).

Current/Central Intelligence Bulletin Collection
CIB
Central Intelligence Bulletin
Harry Truman was the first U.S. president to receive a daily intelligence digest. At his direction, the Daily Summary began production in February 1946, and continued until February 1951. President Truman was pleased with the product, but a survey group commissioned by the National Security Council in 1949 was critical of the Daily Summary and issued several recommendations to improve it. The new version, called the Current Intelligence Bulletin, began production on 28 February 1951, and this remained the format of the president's daily digest through Dwight Eisenhower's two terms, although it was retitled the Central Intelligence Bulletin in 1958. The Current/Central Intelligence Bulletin grew longer than its predecessor over time with the addition of more items and more analysis, and would eventually contain more graphics as printing technology improved.
2 January-30 June 1961
The new Kennedy Administration confronted a full array of international issues in 1961. In April, a group of CIA-trained Cuban exiles landed at the Bay of Pigs on the southern coast of Cuba with the goal of overthrowing the Fidel Castro regime and establishing an anti-Communist government. The outnumbered invading force was quickly repelled by Castro's troops. The year's reports were dominated by the worsening Congo crisis, with the fragmentation of the country widening despite the efforts of the United Nations, and US concern over the high tempo of Soviet testing of space vehicles and intercontinental ballistic missiles. The situation in Laos deteriorated, as the Communist Pathet Lao insurgency gained strength against the US-backed Royal Lao government.
The changes at the CIA following the Bay of Pigs included a format update for the president's daily intelligence report. The new version, called the President's Intelligence Checklist (PICL), was first delivered on 17 June 1961. The Central Intelligence Bulletin continued to be produced as a separate publication until 10 Jan 1974, when it was replaced by the National Intelligence Daily. The PICL, however, was the president's primary written intelligence source through the remainder of the Kennedy Administration. The Kennedy PICL reports are available here
This historical release includes: the Central Intelligence Bulletin reports from 2 January-30 June 1961 (2752 pages).
This release is the thirteenth and final release in the Current/Central Intelligence Bulletin series.
See the Current/Central Intelligence Bulletin Collection

Aquiline
Aquiline Aquiline
aquiline adj. of or like the eagle.
Aerial intelligence collection platforms have played a critical role in US national security from the earliest beginnings of aviation. CIA's 1960s OXCART Program and its use of U-2s are examples of collection innovations that have kept US leaders informed about adversaries' capabilities and intentions. Despite their success, however, use of these platforms carried significant risks and repercussions, including detection and even pilot loss, such as the downing of the U-2 flown by Francis Gary Powers in 1960. Ever-evolving research by the CIA led to the development concept of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) as collection platforms. An innovative Agency program in the 1960s codenamed Aquiline was the very first to test this concept. Based initially on the study of flight characteristics of birds, Aquiline was envisioned as a long-range vehicle that could safely and stealthily provide a window into denied areas such as the Soviet Union through photography and other capabilities, and would even support in-place agent operations. While it never became operational, the concept proved invaluable as a forerunner to today's multi-capability UAVs.
Learn more about CIA's early eagle (40 documents/289 pages).

The Collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe: A 30-Year Legacy
President Bush
The Collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe: A 30-Year Legacy
This collection includes a broad sampling of articles from the National Intelligence Daily—the CIA's principal form of current intelligence analysis at the time—from February 1989 to March 1990. These articles represent much of the Agency's short-term analysis of events unfolding in Central and Eastern Europe as popular opposition to Soviet misrule erupted and quickly surpassed anything the Communist regimes were prepared to understand or to which they could respond. The material also represents a major source of information and insight for US policymakers into what was happening in these countries, where the situation was heading, and how a collapse of Communist rule in Europe and the beginnings of the breakup of the Soviet Union would impact Europe and the United States.
 
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I know, so why do you think he posted them ?
To make it appear that he had facts behind his claims when in fact he had nothing? He probably assumed that the majority watching his video wouldn't bother checking the links.
 
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And I don't have time too explain every video I post - Sorry.
Why? Are you running a business? Cooking for a large crowd? You spend so much time on these forums it seems that all you have is free time.
 
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And I don't have time too explain every video I post - Sorry.
But this is a discussion forum, not a cinema. What would be the use of the forum if all we did was post links to videos back and forth to each other?
 
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