Bowing Head at Mass

[Akita Suggagaki]

So you refuse to interact with the article that your whole OP depends on? You linked an article, quoted from it, made an assertion contrary to its conclusion, and refused to interact with the argument of the article. That's bad form, my friend.

As I said, the GIRM speaks for itself. The article supports the practice. How do you see it not?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I also quoted and linked the GIRM which can speak for itself.

The GIRM is a 'general instruction' but seldom slavishly requires or forbids practices. We can bow at the name of Jesus independent of the GIRM.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The GIRM is a 'general instruction' but seldom slavishly requires or forbids practices. We can bow at the name of Jesus independent of the GIRM.

I am ok with that. But one does not have to be “slavishly” following to derive appropriate standards. Isn’t that part if the liturgical arguments since Vatican Ii? The Mass has been too free for all and vulnerable to abuse?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I am ok with that. But one does not have to be “slavishly” following to derive appropriate standards. Isn’t that part if the liturgical arguments since Vatican Ii? The Mass has been too free for all and vulnerable to abuse?

Indeed, we have had 'anything goes'. To a degree we still have anything goes. Time to return to sanity. Even pope Leo is saying so.

 

[zippy2006]

As I said, the GIRM speaks for itself. The article supports the practice. How do you see it not?

The article directly contradicts your claim here:

The GIRM calls for it

If you can't see this, then you haven't read the article. It's that simple. If you can't interact with your own article from your own OP, then I am going to spend my time elsewhere.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The article directly contradicts your claim here:

Please quote that contradiction.

 

[zippy2006]

Please quote that contradiction.

I've been quoting it all along:

McNamara is clear, "With respect to such customs, the above norms of the GIRM say nothing either for or against..."

If professor McNamara says that the GIRM says nothing for the custom, and you say that the GIRM "calls for" the custom, then you've contradicted McNamara.

(I am not opposed to helping you understand the article, but you must at least wrestle with what the article is saying.)

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I've been quoting it all along:

If professor McNamara says that the GIRM says nothing for the custom, and you say that the GIRM "calls for" the custom, then you've contradicted McNamara.

Ah, ok, thank you. Yes. I do not see how he can say that since it states in

275.

1. A bow of the head is made when the three Divine Persons are named together and at the names of Jesus, of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of the Saint in whose honor Mass is being celebrated.

Does that sound like “nothing for” to you?

 

[zippy2006]

I do not see how he can say that

If you read his article you will learn why he says that.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If you read his article you will learn why he says that.

I read the article. I added it for background, context. I think it informs. But I never said I agreed with his “GIRM say nothing either for or against” statement.

 

[FaithT]

Yup. That’s usually the norm wherever I go.

Same here.

 

[RileyG]

Same here.

Especially after the updated translation in 2011.