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[Strong in Him]

Which I have tried to give all throughout this thread.

You have given no evidence.
You have BEEN given evidence of various things and you say that nothing on earth will make you believe it.

 

[Apple Sky]

All most leaders wants is money, land or power - like they care what we believe about the shape of the earth.

NASA does.

 

[Apple Sky]

You have given no evidence.

I have given loads but people on here refuse to take it as evidence.

 

[Phil G]

Which I have tried to give all throughout this thread.

You seem to misunderstand what evidence actually is and is not.

It is not making statements and claims and posting videos making statements and claims. That’s just making statements and claims.

Actual evidence is backing up those statements and claims with verifiable and realistic explanations.

In the case of satellite tv signals, it would be to explain how they realistically work if the earth is flat with no satellites. You have only made claims which are not realistic. Whereas, if the earth is a globe with satellites in geostationary orbit, satellites explains it rationally and realistically.

That is evidence.

 

[Phil G]

I have given loads but people on here refuse to take it as evidence.

Because it isn’t evidence. It’s just making statements and claims or posting videos making statements and claims.

That’s not evidence.

 

[Jerry N.]

What evidence do you have for saying that teachers, parents, scientists, textbooks, astronomers etc have been indoctrinating us?

One could make a long list about common topics of indoctrination, but living on a globe is not one of them. For example, The Food Pyramid would be an interesting place to start.

 

[Apple Sky]

One could make a long list about common topics of indoctrination, but living on a globe is not one of them.

Then why is the globe the first thing a child sees in the classroom & why do teachers teach that it spins, why teach kids about Columbus & Newton ?

If this isn't indoctrination I don't know what is.

And another thing when ever I'm watching a TV show or a film, there it is lurking in the corner, what is it, a globe. They never fail to show one.

 

[Jerry N.]

Then why is the globe the first thing a child sees in the classroom & why do teachers teach that it spins, why teach kids about Columbus & Newton ?

If this isn't indoctrination I don't know what is.

And another thing when ever I'm watching a TV show or a film, there it is lurking in the corner, what is it, a globe. They never fail to show one.

Maybe because it is true. It would take a long time to tell the truth about everything Newton and Columbus did, but that doesn’t mean they are indoctrinating. In schools, they have to tell the students about the life of somebody that lived 60 years or more in less than a half an hour. It can’t be 100% correct, but it can be an introduction.

 

[Phil G]

Then why is the globe the first thing a child sees in the classroom & why do teachers teach that it spins, why teach kids about Columbus & Newton ?

If this isn't indoctrination I don't know what is.

And another thing when ever I'm watching a TV show or a film, there it is lurking in the corner, what is it, a globe. They never fail to show one.

You are jumping to conclusions. The reason why there are globes in classrooms is because it’s an established fact that the earth is a globe based on evidence, including eyewitness testimonies from many witnesses, many of whom are Christian believers in the Gospel.

Schools teach pupils how to experiment and investigate for themselves to confirm this well established fact.

What you are implying is that there is hardly one student/pupil who realises your alleged “truth” despite evidence. But that is nowhere near the real truth.

I was taught how to investigate for myself in school, and not to swallow what I was told verbatim.

 

[Apple Sky]

Maybe because it is true. It would take a long time to tell the truth about everything Newton and Columbus did, but that doesn’t mean they are indoctrinating. In schools, they have to tell the students about the life of somebody that lived 60 years or more in less than a half an hour. It can’t be 100% correct, but it can be an introduction.

Teachers have to teach what they are told too or else they could face severe disciplinary action or even termination.

 

[Jerry N.]

Teachers have to teach what they are told too or else they could face severe disciplinary action or even termination.

That is true, but that doesn’t mean that everything they teach is indoctrination. The other side is that students only have to agree with the teachers until the tests are finished. According to research that I have read, 20% of people will believe all kinds of indoctrination, but the majority start thinking for themselves when they get older. I’m sure, no matter how good your parents and teachers were, that you have rejected some of the things they taught you. My parents told me that sitting on concrete would give me hemorrhoids, but I’ve come to learn that it isn’t true. Hemorrhoids are actually caused from eating red beets.

 

[Phil G]

Teachers have to teach what they are told too or else they could face severe disciplinary action or even termination.

Teachers are there to teach pupils to do well in their exams. But they also teach how to research and investigate, especially in physics.

It’s not going to work if pupils do experiments and research and the evidence goes against what they are being taught. So the evidence of reality still has to fit with the teaching in order to make sense. Otherwise all the pupils would know that it’s rubbish, which it isn’t.

 

[Apple Sky]

I’m sure, no matter how good your parents and teachers were, that you have rejected some of the things they taught you.

Yes especially the lies about Santa & the tooth fairy

I do remember once we were all being taught about Columbus in class and how before he set sail people would think that it he may sail off the edge the world & this caused a great deal of laughter in the class room. I remember thinking to myself 'what are they all laughing at.'

 

[Strong in Him]

Then why is the globe the first thing a child sees in the classroom

Are you kidding?
Why do teachers put the alphabet up on the wall?
Why do they have books so that children can learn to read?
Why have a clock so that children can learn the time?

why teach kids about Columbus & Newton ?

I doubt that 3-4 year olds learn about Columbus and Newton.

If this isn't indoctrination I don't know what is.

I don't think you know what indoctrination is.

Indoctrination involves not allowing people to think for themselves. Cults do it. They teach their leader's interpretation of the Bible and questioning is not allowed. Their group, alone, has the truth and if you question, you are doubting God.
I have read testimonies from former cult members who said that they were invited for a meal, or a weekend away with the group, were watched at all times in case they tried to read other literature, phone someone or #even have 5 minutes to think about all the stuff that they had heard. They had very little sleep so that they couldn't think straight and were more susceptible to what they were being taught. If they expressed a desire to leave the group, they were told that a) they were being ungrateful after all that people had done for them and b) the devil was trying to tempt them because he knew that the group had the truth. Anyone who was strong enough to stand out against all that and leave was told they were going to hell. Anyone who stayed was given more and more of the group's teaching. No literature was allowed, unless it had been written by the founder of the cult. People were gradually cut off from family and friends, "they don't understand or want the best for you". The new recruit would be sent out to knock on doors, sell books and make money for the cult. Eventually, they had no other form of support except the group, and probably had a genuine belief that if they left they would die and go straight to hell.

THAT is indoctrination.

Do you have any evidence that if a child asks their teacher why the world is a globe, they are told to "sit down, shut up and not ask questions"?
Do you have any evidence that science teachers say, "this is the shape of the earth - no, you can't study, do any experiments or ask questions; you might prove me to be wrong"?
If a parent was trying to indoctrinate a child I doubt they would let them go to school at all, or mix with others, They would be home-schooled and allowed to think only what the parents thought.
In my limited experience with children, they ask questions all the time. They are inquisitive; they want to know things. Sometimes adults are forced to study/take short courses so they can keep up with their kids favourite subjects. This may be doubly so if the child is extra bright.

Having a globe in a classroom is a million miles from indoctrination.

And another thing when ever I'm watching a TV show or a film, there it is lurking in the corner, what is it, a globe. They never fail to show one.

You've been watching the wrong programmes.

 

[prodromos]

No it is not, the satanic deception is the Globe.

It is the 'fruit' of "flat earth" that shows it's origin, and neither you nor your fellow flat-earthers are producing fruit of the Holy Spirit

Well you do what you have to do, but you are wrong about me.

Alas, I am not wrong about you. I wish I was but it is clear from your posts. Lord have mercy.

 

[Jerry N.]

Yes especially the lies about Santa & the tooth fairy

I do remember once we were all being taught about Columbus in class and how before he set sail people would think that it he may sail off the edge the world & this caused a great deal of laughter in the class room. I remember thinking to myself 'what are they all laughing at.'

Unfortunately that was so, but the writings of Columbus have proved that it was wrong. It is based on the propaganda that we are so much smarter. I still get a little angry when I read that people were so much more stupid than we are now.

 

[Apple Sky]

I still get a little angry when I read that people were so much more stupid than we are now.

I wouldn't say that, look at Martin Luther he knew the earth was stationary & didn't move.

 

[Phil G]

I wouldn't say that, look at Martin Luther he knew the earth was stationary & didn't move.

He believed in a geocentric earth. He was wrong on that one. But he didn’t believe in a flat earth. He was right on that one.

 

[Hentenza]

Actually rainbows are not arches but are full circles.

No. There is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

 

[Apple Sky]

But he didn’t believe in a flat earth. He was right on that one.

And how does one know what Martin Luther believed ?