Release from Epstein files

[Say it aint so]

According to what we know now they had nothing on Trump. However Obama wanted to pursue it anyway. He and Clinton were the ones who really tried to interfere with the election. Clinton with her fake dossier with Russian ties and Obama's push to investigate Trump to.make it look like he was interfering with Russia.

You are woefully misinformed. It is readily apparent to me you did not read the Senate Report, the Inspector Generals report, the Mueller report, or heck, even the Durham report. You're just sticking finger in the air and winging it. It wears badly on you.

 

[rjs330]

Russiangate ended with indictments and convictions of about a dozen Trump underlings who had lied about their meetings/collusion with Russian agents. Trump's own National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his involvement.

It ended with convictions over other things. Not a single person was indicted over colluding with Russia to try and interfere with the election.

Reality matters.

Yes it does. And Russiagate did not show that Trump colluded or cooperated with Russia. That's the reality. The real reality is that Clinton did and now we discovered the Obama administration interfered as well by pushing the narrative even though they didn't have anything.

From AI

While Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was involved in various legal issues related to financial crimes and lobbying, the investigations did not conclusively prove that he colluded with Russia during the 2016 election. The Mueller report indicated that while there were numerous links between Trump associates and Russian officials, it did not establish that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government to influence the election.

 

[rjs330]

FALSE

Russians were literally at Trump Tower working in agreement with the Trump's innermost circle to provide dirt against their opponent.
Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort admitted point blank he was working with Russians provided them campaign data.

From AI

While Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was involved in various legal issues related to financial crimes and lobbying, the investigations did not conclusively prove that he colluded with Russia during the 2016 election. The Mueller report indicated that while there were numerous links between Trump associates and Russian officials, it did not establish that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government to influence the election.

You shouldn't spread misinformation.

 

[essentialsaltes]

According to what we know now they had nothing on Trump. However Obama wanted to pursue it anyway. He and Clinton were the ones who really tried to interfere with the election. Clinton with her fake dossier with Russian ties and Obama's push to investigate Trump to.make it look like he was interfering with Russia.

The people who were charged with crimes (and convicted) were indeed investigated. So what?

Unlike the Epstein files, the topic of this thread, Trump was not necessarily involved.

 

[Say it aint so]

From AI

While Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was involved in various legal issues related to financial crimes and lobbying, the investigations did not conclusively prove that he colluded with Russia during the 2016 election. The Mueller report indicated that while there were numerous links between Trump associates and Russian officials, it did not establish that the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government to influence the election.

You shouldn't spread misinformation.

Exclusive: Paul Manafort admits he passed Trump campaign data to a suspected Russian asset​

In an interview with Insider, Paul Manafort, who served as Donald Trump's campaign chairman, made his first public admission that in 2016 he shared polling data from the Trump campaign with Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime business associate with suspected ties to Russian intelligence.​

AI is NOT the best source of information. In fact since you seem to think this the barometer of reality, I asked AI why it's not the best source. For your viewing pleasure.

While AI can be a powerful tool for information retrieval and analysis, it has significant limitations. Here are some key points to consider:

1. Lack of Understanding: AI systems generate responses based on patterns in data rather than true comprehension. This means they can produce misleading or inaccurate information, often referred to as "hallucinations" 1.
2. Bias and Fairness Issues: AI models can inherit biases present in their training data, leading to unfair or discriminatory outcomes 2 1. This is particularly concerning in sensitive applications like hiring or law enforcement.
3. Dependence on Data Quality: The effectiveness of AI is heavily reliant on the quality and quantity of the data it is trained on. Poor data can lead to poor performance 3 2.
4. Transparency Challenges: Many AI systems operate as "black boxes," making it difficult to understand how they arrive at specific conclusions. This lack of transparency can erode trust 2.
5. Ethical and Moral Limitations: AI lacks the ability to make ethical decisions or understand human emotions, which can be crucial in many contexts 3 2.

In summary, while AI can assist in gathering and processing information, it should not be relied upon as the sole source of truth. Critical thinking and human oversight remain essential in evaluating the information provided by AI systems.

 

[rjs330]

You are woefully misinformed. It is readily apparent to me you did not read the Senate Report, the Inspector Generals report, the Mueller report, or heck, even the Durham report. You're just sticking finger in the air and winging it. It wears badly on you.

I actually read it all and followed everything at the time. It sounds like you fully believe in the the hoax. Im not going to change your mind.

No one on rhe Trump team was found to be guilty of colluding with the Russians.
To continue to make the claim they did, is false. It's wishful biased thinking.

 

[Servus]

Maybe you could show us this "all the commentary from the left".

Oh sure, I have all that on file from 2017-19.

But what I remember (and see from my own writings and those of others at the time) is not that it was supposed to bring the 'downfall of the Trump Administration', but no more and no less than that there was collusion between the incoming Trump Administration and Russia, and as things progressed, people in Trump's orbit were being fired, convicted, or both for the cover-up.

Then (as now) some Trump supporters were willingly oblivious to what was happening. And the cognitive dissonance of the convictions from a 'hoax' drove them to fanciful extremes of coping

What happened to Donald Trump as a result of Russiagate? Unless all this about Trump and the Epstein files is about people other than Trump, then what happens to Trump as a result of the Epstein files is the issue. It seems likely that nothing will directly happen to Trump regarding Epsteingate, the same as nothing directly happened to Trump over Russiagate.

Do you think anything will happen to Trump if/when all the files are released? If so, then what would you expect to happen?

 

[rjs330]

Exclusive: Paul Manafort admits he passed Trump campaign data to a suspected Russian asset​

In an interview with Insider, Paul Manafort, who served as Donald Trump's campaign chairman, made his first public admission that in 2016 he shared polling data from the Trump campaign with Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime business associate with suspected ties to Russian intelligence.​

AI is NOT the best source of information. In fact since you seem to think this the barometer of reality, I asked AI why it's not the best source. For your viewing pleasure.

While AI can be a powerful tool for information retrieval and analysis, it has significant limitations. Here are some key points to consider:

1. Lack of Understanding: AI systems generate responses based on patterns in data rather than true comprehension. This means they can produce misleading or inaccurate information, often referred to as "hallucinations" 1.
2. Bias and Fairness Issues: AI models can inherit biases present in their training data, leading to unfair or discriminatory outcomes 2 1. This is particularly concerning in sensitive applications like hiring or law enforcement.
3. Dependence on Data Quality: The effectiveness of AI is heavily reliant on the quality and quantity of the data it is trained on. Poor data can lead to poor performance 3 2.
4. Transparency Challenges: Many AI systems operate as "black boxes," making it difficult to understand how they arrive at specific conclusions. This lack of transparency can erode trust 2.
5. Ethical and Moral Limitations: AI lacks the ability to make ethical decisions or understand human emotions, which can be crucial in many contexts 3 2.

In summary, while AI can assist in gathering and processing information, it should not be relied upon as the sole source of truth. Critical thinking and human oversight remain essential in evaluating the information provided by AI systems.

He shared polling data? You call that colluding? We all know he did that. So? Thats not colluding with Russia. He was a business associate. He didn't ask the guy to do anything. He didn't tell him to go to Putin and use that information to interfere with the election. You are wishful thinking.

AI is correct in this one and you are incorrect.

 

[Say it aint so]

I actually read it all and followed everything at the time. It sounds like you fully believe in the the hoax. Im not going to change your mind.

No one on rhe Trump team was found to be guilty of colluding with the Russians.
To continue to make the claim they did, is false. It's wishful biased thinking.

I doubt you read it. Honestly I do. If you read the Mueller report you would know "collusion" isn't something found in codes of law seeing he went to painstaking lengths to explain that.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Oh sure, I have all that on file from 2017-19.

Well, you seem to be misremembering.

What happened to Donald Trump as a result of Russiagate?

At least you remember that part.

Do you think anything will happen to Trump if/when all the files are released? If so, then what would you expect to happen?

Humiliations galore.

 

[Say it aint so]

He shared polling data? You call that colluding? We all know he did that. So? Thats not colluding with Russia. He was a business associate. He didn't ask the guy to do anything. He didn't tell him to go to Putin and use that information to interfere with the election. You are wishful thinking.

AI is correct in this one and you are incorrect.

YES! That is working with Russians. What is Russian going to do with presidential election campaign data? Make Vodka? Did Russia make use of the data? Did the GRU interfere with the election and did Russia implement disinformation data farms for the sake of Trump. Yes, they did.

 

[Vambram]

Russiagate was not a joke. The Trump admin was working directly and indirectly with Russians for the benefit of their campaign.

That is 100% false.

 

[rjs330]

I doubt you read it. Honestly I do. If you read the Mueller report you would know "collusion" isn't something found in codes of law seeing he went to painstaking lengths to explain that.

Oh good grief, not that AGAIN. I know its not a legal code. But I'm not going to explain myself over this word for the umpteenth time.

 

[Vambram]

FALSE

Russians were literally at Trump Tower working in agreement with the Trump's innermost circle to provide dirt against their opponent.
Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort admitted point blank he was working with Russians provided them campaign data.

That is false.

 

[Vambram]

You are woefully misinformed. It is readily apparent to me you did not read the Senate Report, the Inspector Generals report, the Mueller report, or heck, even the Durham report. You're just sticking finger in the air and winging it. It wears badly on you.

All those reports prove the opposite of what you believe.

 

[The Barbarian]

Russiangate ended with indictments and convictions of about a dozen Trump underlings who had lied about their meetings/collusion with Russian agents. Trump's own National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his involvement.

It ended with convictions over other things.

Like Watergate, most of the criminals went to jail for covering up the conspiracy. Flynn, or example, wasn't convicted for dealing with Russian agents; he was convicted of lying to the FBI about it. Haldeman and Ehrlichman didn't go to jail for the burglary; they went to jail for covering it up. That's how these things work.

 

[rjs330]

YES! That is working with Russians. What is Russian going to do with presidential election campaign data? Make Vodka? Did Russia make use of the data? Did the GRU interfere with the election and did Russia implement disinformation data farms for the sake of Trump. Yes, they did.

No they didn't. You have no evidence of that. You have no evidence whatsoever that a business partner took the poll numbers to Putin and they used them to interfere in the election. Nor do you have evidence they asked him too. And in rhe report it never says that they did.

You are making g assumptions about everything due to you anti-Trump bias.

 

[Servus]

Well, you seem to be misremembering.

Misremembering what?

At least you remember that part.

Yes, absolutely nothing happened to Donald Trump as a result of Russiagate.

Humiliations galore.

That's all? The left is going on and on about Epstein only to see that result?

 

[The Barbarian]

What We Know About the Controversial 2016 Trump Tower Meeting With Russian Officials​

What We Know About the Controversial 2016 Trump Tower Meeting With Russian Officials

Here are the facts

time.com

The stated purpose was to provide the Trump campaign with dirt about Hillary Clinton. And Trump Jr. said so. Jr. said he can't remember who he talked to about the meeting on a blocked line. However, the meeting didn't really produce anything useful to the campaign; it appears that the Russians scammed the Trump campaign because they wanted to talk about some other favors they wanted.

 

[rjs330]

Russiangate ended with indictments and convictions of about a dozen Trump underlings who had lied about their meetings/collusion with Russian agents. Trump's own National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his involvement.

They NEVER showed they actually colluded with Russia to interfere with the election.

Like Watergate, most of the criminals went to jail for covering up the conspiracy. Flynn, or example, wasn't convicted for dealing with Russian agents; he was convicted of lying to the FBI about it. Haldeman and Ehrlichman didn't go to jail for the burglary; they went to jail for covering it up. That's how these things work.

Except there was an actual crime that had taken place. There is no crime that had taken place in rhe Russia Collusion Hoax. Not a single person was arrested or charged with anything other than being dishonest.

There was no underlying crime that anyone was arrested or charged with, unlike Watergate which actually had a crime of burglary.

All the left has is a bunch of assumptions and a belief system fueled by their anti-Trump bias. Obama knew there was nothing and was told there was nothing, but he pushed the investigation anyway to interfere with the election. Clinton actually PAID money for information from Russian assets.