Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

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Persians, Hasmoneans and Herodians, were not the legitimate leaders. The sons of Zadok were. They were kicked out of the Temple in approximately 140 BC. Why do you suppose that so many were flocking to the wilderness to see John the Baptist?

People flocked to John because he preached that the kingdom of God was imminent and called for national repentance. His baptism was a powerful symbol for those seeking repentance.

The Pharisees and Sadducees were very influential leaders during the time of Christ. They are prominent as Christ use them to show the errors of their teaching and application of the law. That is all over the NT.

 

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None of them were. Most were directed at the Ger Toshav.

They all are

Nonsense. None of them were. As I stated and posted most of the epistles are addressed at Christian churches NOT at Jewish congregations.

Irrelevant.

How so? It is totally relevant.

Mistranslation. The word translates to assembly. I have already proven that. Repeating the mistranslation again, does not legitimize it.

Nope, You can’t just hone on one possible translation. The context is against you. I doubt that Paul would address those at a Jewish congregation as saints and then proceed to exhort the gospel and Christ work on the cross. Israel in general rejected the messiah do they are not even in the equation until they accept Christ. There is only one way to the Father and Israel us yet to repent.

Again

And again

and again

and again

Nope.

Yes, the Greek word is ekklesia; and as I have proven, it means assembly.

You have not proven that at all. Assembly is only one possible definition but the context negates your assertion.

ἐκκλησία ekklēsía, ek-klay-see'-ah; from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.

While it could be an assembly it could just as well be a Christian community or church. In the context of the epistles the context is clearly that of a church.

“to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3‬:‭21‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Ephesians 3:21 to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.

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Glory in the church and in Christ. This could never apply to a Jewish congregation since the Jews in general rejected Christ.

The believers in Yahshua are the assembly of Israel.

Nope. Accept Jesus as the Messiah first until then they have no way to the Father. They need to repent because the kingdom of Gd is indeed imminent.

Again Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel. That is what Yahshua said himself.

And then they sent Him to be crucified. In fact they chose the thief over Him.

““Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is the One who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23‬:‭37‬-‭39‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 23:37-39 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you | New American Standard Bible -

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you

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Israel will see Him no more until they come to Jesus. They have to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

The renewed covenant is with Israel. That is what YHWH himself said himself.

The old covenant is dead. There is no renewal.

I'll thrust them over you unsubstantiated opinion.

I proved it many times over. Your opinion does not count.

All of Israel accepts Messiah. If they don't accept Messiah; they are not part of Israel, no matter what they claim.

“Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘A stone which the builders rejected, This has become the chief cornerstone; This came about from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes’? Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruit. And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and on whomever it falls, it will crush him.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21‬:‭42‬-‭44‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 21:42-44 Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘A STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES’ | New American Standard Bible -

Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘A STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES’

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Israel rejected the stone that became the cornerstone and the Kingdom of God was taken away from them.

You have no way to prove your assertion.

Again, the renewed covenant is with Israel.

Again, nope.

 

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People flocked to John because he preached that the kingdom of God was imminent and called for national repentance. His baptism was a powerful symbol for those seeking repentance.

That too; but he was dwelling with the sons of Zadok at the mikveh pools; and his father was a priest. Who do you suppose was the true Kohen Gadol at that time?

 

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Nonsense. None of them were. As I stated and posted most of the epistles are addressed at Christian churches NOT at Jewish congregations.

That would be the Ger Toshav, like I said. The Tribe of Judah composes the minority of Israel.

How so? It is totally relevant.

Yet the reason why failed to be articulated.

See: Burden of Proof
See: Proof of a Negative.

You have not proven that at all. Assembly is only one possible definition but the context negates your assertion.

See: Occam's Razor

ἐκκλησία ekklēsía, ek-klay-see'-ah; from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.

ἐκκλησία ekklēsía, ek-klay-see'-ah; from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.

Christianity is a sect of Judaism; and the word "church" didn't exist in the Greek, nor the Hebrew, nor the Aramaic.

So what does "ἐκκλησία" mean in Hebrew?

Nope. Accept Jesus as the Messiah first until then they have no way to the Father. They need to repent because the kingdom of Gd is indeed imminent.

We've been over this ad nauseam.

Yahshua and YHWH say differently.

I'll take their word over your opinion.

And then they sent Him to be crucified. In fact they chose the thief over Him.

No they didn't, not true Israel, under the renewed covenant. Remember, Israel (the Northern tribes) had been carried away.

(CLV) Jn 1:49
Nathanael answered and is saying to Him, "Rabbi, Thou art the Son of God! Thou art the King of Israel!"

The old covenant is dead. There is no renewal.

What does this verse mean to you?:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.

“Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘A stone which the builders rejected, This has become the chief cornerstone; This came about from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes’? Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruit. And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and on whomever it falls, it will crush him.””
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So James rejected the stone?

Israel rejected the stone that became the cornerstone and the Kingdom of God was taken away from them.

So Peter rejected the stone?

Again, nope.

I'll Take Yah's word for it.

I have yet to see you explain Yah's clear words away.

(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract »with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

Still waiting.

 

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That too; but he was dwelling with the sons of Zadok at the mikveh pools; and his father was a priest. Who do you suppose was the true Kohen Gadol at that time?

John the Baptist father was Zacharias who was indeed a priest. However, John the Baptist main role was to identify the Messiah which he did since he was the forerunner. This makes it even worse for you because John the Baptist did indeed identify the Messiah and the prominent people around him were privy of it. And yet Israel rejected the Messiah.

 

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John the Baptist main role was to identify the Messiah

Proof?

And yet Israel rejected the Messiah.

Wrong. We already covered this. Repeating it does not change the facts.

 

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That would be the Ger Toshav, like I said. The Tribe of Judah composes the minority of Israel.

Nah. Those are Jews. The temple was in Judah. All came to worship at the temple. All came to Judah for special festivals.

Yet the reason why failed to be articulated.

See: Burden of Proof
See: Proof of a Negative.

Actually the plain answer is not a negative at all. All were Christians. Secondly, since ekklesia in the context of the epistles can ONLY refer to the church (assembly of Christians), the burden of proof is yours not mine.

See: Occam's Razor

lol My explanation is the simplest since it flows directly from scripture. You have to twist the scriptures so tightly that the tension created is tremendous. I’m still trying to grasp where you even get your theories from since nothing follows scripture nor the historical narrative.

ἐκκλησία ekklēsía, ek-klay-see'-ah; from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church.

Oh look you are again ignoring all the definitions in favor of the one that you like. The religious congregation an assembly of Christian is consistent with the use regarding Christian churches established by the apostles.

Christianity is a sect of Judaism;

‘In your dreams. Not even close. The apostles evangelized the Jews to convert to Christianity by following Christ with the gospel of good news. This is all over scripture. Like Paul says to the Jew first and also to the Greek (gentiles). The Jews had the chance but blew it when they rejected the Messiah.

and the word "church" didn't exist in the Greek, nor the Hebrew, nor the Aramaic.

There are over 110 instances in the NT. So wrong again.

So what does "ἐκκλησία" mean in Hebrew?

Irrelevant. The NT was not written in Hebrew.

We've been over this ad nauseam.

Yahshua and YHWH say differently.

I'll take their word over your opinion.

Here. Let me tell you one more time. Nope. Accept Jesus as the Messiah first until then they have no way to the Father. They need to repent because the kingdom of Gd is indeed imminent. Jesus says so implicitly. Tell me, why do you not respond to the verses that I have posted about Jesus grieving for Jerusalem? Do you not have anything to say about them?

No they didn't, not true Israel, under the renewed covenant. Remember, Israel (the Northern tribes) had been carried away.

There is no renewed covenant. There you go again.

“When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
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Hebrews 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.

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It is once again crystal clear.

(CLV) Jn 1:49
Nathanael answered and is saying to Him, "Rabbi, Thou art the Son of God! Thou art the King of Israel!"

Nathaniel believed in Jesus. I don’t think Nathaniel was speaking for all of Israel. How does this verse help your argument?

What does this verse mean to you?:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.

This is a perfect example of your misunderstanding of the results of Christ sacrifice. Jesus did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it (Completed it) Jesus did not fail therefore the law did not fail. This in no way teach thst the law of the OC is still binding today.

So James rejected the stone?

So Peter rejected the stone?

Do you ever take audience into account? Jesus is talking to the Pharisees so it is Israel thst rejected the stone.

I'll Take Yah's word for it.

But you are not. You are taking your own erroneous understanding.

I have yet to see you explain Yah's clear words away.

(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract »with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

““For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel After those days, declares the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people. “And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen, And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ For they will all know Me, From the least to the greatest of them. “For I will be merciful toward their wrongdoings, And their sins I will no longer remember.” When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭10‬-‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:10-13 “FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT WHICH I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, DECLARES THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, | New American Standard Bible - N

“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT WHICH I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, DECLARES THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,

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There you go. The writer of Hebrews quotes that verse. And then look at what the writer of Hebrews write just 3 verses later. Oh, and look this IS a new covenant not a renewed covenant.

Still waiting.

For what?

 

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Proof?

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, just as it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “Behold, I am sending My messenger before You, Who will prepare Your way; The voice of one calling out in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight!’ ””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Mark 1:2-3 just as it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “BEHOLD, I AM SENDING MY MESSENGER BEFORE YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY; THE VOICE OF ONE CALLING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS, ‘PREPARE THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAK | New American Standard Bible - NASB (

just as it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “BEHOLD, I AM SENDING MY MESSENGER BEFORE YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY; THE VOICE OF ONE CALLING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS, ‘PREPARE THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAK

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“And he will turn many of the sons of Israel back to the Lord their God. And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of fathers back to their children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 1:16-17 And he will turn many of the sons of Israel back to the Lord their God. And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF FATHERS BACK TO , a | New American Standard Bible - NASB

And he will turn many of the sons of Israel back to the Lord their God. And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF FATHERS BACK TO , a

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“In holiness and righteousness before Him all our days. “And you, child, also will be called the prophet of the Most High; For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways; To give His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sins,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1‬:‭75‬-‭77‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 1:76-77 “And you, child, also will be called the prophet of the Most High; For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways; To give His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sin | New American Standard Bible - NASB

“And you, child, also will be called the prophet of the Most High; For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways; To give His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sin

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“In holiness and righteousness before Him all our days. “And you, child, also will be called the prophet of the Most High; For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways; To give His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sins,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1‬:‭75‬-‭77‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 1:76-77 “And you, child, also will be called the prophet of the Most High; For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways; To give His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sin | New American Standard Bible - NASB

“And you, child, also will be called the prophet of the Most High; For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways; To give His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sin

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“John responded to them all, saying, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but He is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the straps of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 3:16-17 John responded to them all, saying, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but He is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the straps of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Hol | New American Standard Bible - NASB

John responded to them all, saying, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but He is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the straps of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Hol

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“Then Jesus *arrived from Galilee at the Jordan, coming to John to be baptized by him. But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have the need to be baptized by You, and yet You are coming to me?” But Jesus, answering, said to him, “Allow it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he *allowed Him. After He was baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and settling on Him, and behold, a voice from the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.””
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Matthew 3:14-17 But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have the need to be baptized by You, and yet You are coming to me?” But Jesus, answering, said to him, “Allow it at this time; for in this way it is fitting f | New American Standard Bible - N

But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have the need to be baptized by You, and yet You are coming to me?” But Jesus, answering, said to him, “Allow it at this time; for in this way it is fitting f

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John was the forerunner of the messiah.

Wrong. We already covered this. Repeating it does not change the facts.

Then prove it. I’ve given you the scriptures which you refuse to address. Here it is again. Israel rejected the messiah.

Since I posted a few verses about John the Baptist being the forerunner of the Messiah then the following verses are very appropriate.

“He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. This was the true Light that, coming into the world, enlightens every person. He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, and yet the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own people did not accept Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭7‬-‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

John 1:7-13 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. This was the true Light that, coming into the wor | New American Standard Bible - NASB

He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. This was the true Light that, coming into the wor

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What do you think the above verses mean?