Supreme Court rejects Kim Davis’ request to reconsider landmark gay marriage ruling

[The Barbarian]

Christ mentions Sodom in Matthew 10:15, Matthew 11:23, Matthew 11:24, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12 and Luke 17:29.

But not homosexuality? Seems like a huge omission, assuming you have it right. You do know that the sin exposed in Sodom was sexual assault, not homosexuality, right?

 

[Delvianna]

But not homosexuality? Seems like a huge omission, assuming you have it right. You do know that the sin exposed in Sodom was sexual assault, not homosexuality, right?

"Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" Genesis 19:4-5

Um, that's clearly men wanting to have sex with men.

 

[Michie]

But not homosexuality? Seems like a huge omission, assuming you have it right. You do know that the sin exposed in Sodom was sexual assault, not homosexuality, right?

Homosexuality was not a debated issue at the time as the OT already condemned it. It was a given. His teachings mentioned in the NT only affirmed what was already taught as far as natural law.

 

[The Barbarian]

At no point does He say His past fire-bombing of San Francisco was unjustified.

The first actual San Francisco gay bar opened in 1908, two years after the earthquake and fire.

 

[The Barbarian]

Homosexuality was not a debated issue at the time as the OT already condemned it.

It was a common behavior in the Roman Empire. And yet Jesus said nothing against it.

 

[The Barbarian]

But not homosexuality? Seems like a huge omission, assuming you have it right. You do know that the sin exposed in Sodom was sexual assault, not homosexuality, right?

"Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" Genesis 19:4-5

Yep. Sexual assault. Which is what seems to have God convinced to destroy them.

Genesis 19:6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 19 - New International Version

Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed - The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your...

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I'm pretty sure that Lot's offer to the aspiring rapists was not something Jesus would have approved.

 

[Michie]

It was a common behavior in the Roman Empire. And yet Jesus said nothing against it.

He came for the Jewish people first. The Apostles were given The Great Commission. I mean, you’re Catholic right? You should know what is taught as far as homosexuality is concerned. We can’t advocate for it. Sources from ancient Jewish texts reject homosexual relations. It was a given. It was not something running rampant in Jewish culture as it was in Roman culture.

Jesus does, however, say quite clearly that God created man and woman for each other in marriage (Matt. 19:4-5). The only time Jesus mentions sexual activity as part of God’s plan is within the marriage of a man and woman.

You just have to connect the dots.

 

[calicocat]

But not homosexuality? Seems like a huge omission, assuming you have it right. You do know that the sin exposed in Sodom was sexual assault, not homosexuality, right?

They're always tied together, as in the case of the Levite's concubine. Sodomy is inherent sexual violence that spills over naturally into actual assault and is typically caused by childhood abuse (then passed on the same way.)

But God references Sodom being removed for "commiting abominations" and Paul agrees with Moses in Romans 1 that it's a crime worthy of death.

If you want to cut out with scissors everything by St. Paul, you'd have to get rid of half the New Testament.

Violent pedophiles were using "red letters only!" (when not threatening to rape me) in this debate twenty years ago. Even if we play by their made-up rules, Christ is still the one who genocided Sodom for being pro-gay, He said not a single jot or tittle of the mosaic law was imperfect, and He still defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. The people who make these arguments don't believe the Bible in the first place and cut whatever they dislike. The West played along and in about a decade we have underage mastectomies, "fistgate," and nine-year-old drag queens. Gay is a human-rights violation. Authors of the Bible knew and tried to warn us.

 

[Michie]

But not homosexuality? Seems like a huge omission, assuming you have it right. You do know that the sin exposed in Sodom was sexual assault, not homosexuality, right?


Yep. Sexual assault. Which is what seems to have God convinced to destroy them.

Genesis 19:6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 19 - New International Version

Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed - The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your...

www.biblegateway.com

I'm pretty sure that Lot's offer to the aspiring rapists was not something Jesus would have approved.

Jesus is God.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

“Lot interceded in behalf of his guests in accordance with his duties as host, which are most sacred in the East, but made the mistake of placing them above his duties as a father by offering his two daughters to the wicked designs of the Sodomites.” A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture agrees: “Lot cannot be praised. He chose what he considered the less of two evils” (195).

 

[Delvianna]

But not homosexuality? Seems like a huge omission, assuming you have it right. You do know that the sin exposed in Sodom was sexual assault, not homosexuality, right?


Yep. Sexual assault. Which is what seems to have God convinced to destroy them.

Genesis 19:6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 19 - New International Version

Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed - The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your...

www.biblegateway.com

I'm pretty sure that Lot's offer to the aspiring rapists was not something Jesus would have approved.

Some bible verses that tell what sins Sodom had:

Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit. - Ezekiel 16:49-50

as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. - Jude 1:7

What is sexual immorality and "strange flesh"? Homosexuality. So sexual assault wasn't their only sin. They had tons and homosexuality was also 1 of them but to attribute sexual assault as the only sin that convinced God makes no sense when others were also present like the proof I gave of homosexuality.

 

[Michie]

What the Media aren’t Telling You About That ‘Gay Marriage’ Case SCOTUS Rejected

While it’s true that Davis’ petition to SCOTUS asked the justices to consider whether Obergefell should be overturned, there were many more prominent factors central to her case that made it highly unlikely the court would use it as a vehicle to revisit its ill-fated 2015 decision.

The most notable is that Davis’ case primarily dealt with legal questions surrounding the First Amendment and tort liability.

As described by Cornell Law School, “tort” is an “act or omission that gives rise to injury or harm to another and amounts to a civil wrong for which courts impose liability.” “The primary aims of tort law,” the school noted, “are to provide relief to injured parties for harms caused by others, to impose liability on parties responsible for the harm, and to deter others from committing harmful acts.”

Media Are Spinning That 'Gay Marriage' Case SCOTUS Rejected

The media are deceptively spinning the Supreme Court's rejection of a case touching on 'gay marriage' as a win for LGBT-obsessed leftists.

thefederalist.com

Just steering it back on track folks.

 

[Delvianna]

I just don't think this should have been a sweeping law. It should have been kept to the decision of each state. Let the majority vote win.

 

[Michie]

I just don't think this should have been a sweeping law. It should have been kept to the decision of each state. Let the majority vote win.

Thats pretty much it for me. But there should also be protections in place for people of faith that are in positions where they must push these issues through that may go against their conscience. We’ve seen a lot of frivolous lawsuits simply trying to ruin people and how they choose to exercise their art. The whole marriage thing has been an issue across the board with a lot of people when there were many others willing to perform those services.

 

[calicocat]

I just don't think this should have been a sweeping law. It should have been kept to the decision of each state. Let the majority vote win.

It was voted against even in California.

Like their forefathers the men of Sodom, they don't value consent.

Literally nobody wanted this.

It's not even about marriage, but persecuting Christianity.

They don't push it in Muslim countries or pagan ones like Japan, because those cultures are already non-Christian. I don't think they even have it in Israel iirc.

 

[The Barbarian]

Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit. - Ezekiel 16:49-50

So because they didn't care for the poor and needy? That sounds like Jesus, doesn't it?

t's not even about marriage, but persecuting Christianity.

How am I persecuted if two women get married?

 

[The Barbarian]

He came for the Jewish people first. The Apostles were given The Great Commission. I mean, you’re Catholic right? You should know what is taught as far as homosexuality is concerned.

Well. let's take a look...

Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an
exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great
variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. It psychological genesis remains
largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts
of grave depravity (Cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10),
tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” (Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith, Persona humana, 8). They are contrary to the natural law. They
close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual
complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not
negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They
must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination
in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and,
if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may
encounter from their condition.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994

Sounds right to me. How about you?

 

[Michie]

Well. let's take a look...

Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an
exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great
variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. It psychological genesis remains
largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts
of grave depravity (Cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10),
tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” (Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith, Persona humana, 8). They are contrary to the natural law. They
close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual
complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not
negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They
must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination
in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and,
if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may
encounter from their condition.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994

Sounds right to me. How about you?

I never said otherwise. But they are called to be chaste. You know that. Or you should. So should we advocate for homosexual marriage when it really not marriage? It’s a legal union but it certainly is not marriage. But again, you are detailing the thread. This is about the case Kim Davis brought to the Supreme Court and all the issues she wanted to address. Which seemingly is more than was reported.

 

[The Barbarian]

I never said otherwise. But they are called to be chaste. You know that. Or you should.

I just showed you that. But a chaste homosexual is as praiseworthy as a chaste unmarried heterosexual. The big difference is, that's my religious belief. I don't have any business forcing anyone else to be chaste.

 

[Michie]

I just showed you that. But a chaste homosexual is as praiseworthy as a chaste unmarried heterosexual. The big difference is, that's my religious belief. I don't have any business forcing anyone else to be chaste.

I never said otherwise. Quit projecting. I’m bringing up Church teaching because you keep insinuating it’s a nonissue because Jesus never specifically spoke of the issue of homosexuality.

 

[calicocat]

Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit. - Ezekiel 16:49-50

So because they didn't care for the poor and needy? That sounds like Jesus, doesn't it?


How am I persecuted if two women get married?

> and committed abomination before Me
>and committed abomination before Me
>and committed abomination before Me

It's been used by bourgeois perverts with upper-class vices to oppress proletariot cake-bakers and florists. It's completely forbidden in Scripture, but I don't force things people view as sinful on them even if I personally don't think it is. A close friend irl is Latin and our group can't always hang out over ice cream when she's on a fast day.

This issue has been used to deChristianize the country and get rid of the basis of conscience-freedom which undergirds all of our other freedoms. It's also opened the door to polygamy and the sexualization of children.

The filter for God's mark in Ezekiel is "mourning over abominations" (rather than "parading their sin like Sodom.) If you look at this stuff and don't grieve over it, you may not be in a good case.