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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

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I am begotten by God. I did not do any work to be saved.

That means you believe salvation/eternal life, is by faith alone, without works.

Then I replied to BelieveItOarKnot of his comment that Jesus will reward those who give a cup of water to His brethren. The reward for blessing Jesus' brethren is the Matthew 25 judgment which corresponds to the Revelation white throne judgment. That judgment is for those who have blessed Jesus' brethren. None of us who are born of, adopted by, God will be judged at the white throne. Those of us who are born of God will live in heaven and have spiritual bodies. Those who enter eternal life from the white throne judgment will live on the new earth, not be allowed entry into heaven and still be flesh and blood. Yes, their work of blessing Jesus' brethren earned them a place on the new earth.

So to you, what differentiate your salvation from those who face the white throne judgement?

How come you could eternal life without works, but they had to bless Jesus's brethren to enter eternal life?
 
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Rom 11:32-God bound everyone to disobedience so...
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AND Since being BORN AGAIN. , you have NEVER SINED ??

And do. you have a verse for that FEAT. ??

And you know where that ARENA IS WITH A VERSE ??

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Simple principle Dan.

There's a person and THEN there's also the tempter or his own walking in the same pair of shoes

Don't know how anyone can read the Gospels and miss that fact, but then again denial is what devils do
 
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That means you believe salvation/eternal life, is by faith alone, without works.



So to you, what differentiate your salvation from those who face the white throne judgement?
I obeyed God's rule to be blessed by Him with eternal life.

John 16:8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. NKJV

(By the way Dan Perez the Holy Spirit's conviction, to the world, above tells me that John 3:16 applies to me. Even without that, because John 3:16 and 17 specified that God did it for the world, not Just Israel. proves the promise is to the world. The only sin that sends people to hell is not believing that God sent Jesus to save them.)

The holy Spirit convicted me of my being a sinner because I did not believe in Jesus. The Holy Spirit convinced me that Jesus was the Son of God and that He died for my sins and was resurrected for my justification. He also told me that Satan and those who continued to believe Satan's lie, that God did not want us to be like Him, would be judged with Satan. So all I, and everyone who believed God, had to do was believe in Jesus and we would live eternally in Heaven.

How come you could eternal life without works, but they had to bless Jesus's brethren to enter eternal life?
They did not obey the rule to receive eternal life.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. NKJV

The first-time men die, they die because of they are sinners. Those who die in Jesus are not sinners.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NKJV

Above is the judgment for all the first time they die. There is no judgment for those who die in Jesus. Because when we die physically we are in Jesus and He was judged to be sinless. All those who die, the first time, not in Jesus are judged to be sinners and will be cast into hell. The first time they died they paid for their sins.

So, the first judgment is based only on believing in Jesus or not. However, they did qualify for consideration for being blessed at the white throne.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. NKJV


At the rapture all the dead in Jesus will receive their new spiritual bodies and will reign with Jesus for a thousand years. After a 1000 years and a brief war God will resurrect the rest of the dead to be judged for their works.


Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." NKJV


Above are the criteria those who are judged at the white throne will be judged by. God made a promise to all the families of the earth they would be blessed by Abraham's seed. That was Jesus and Israel. All the world was blessed by Jesus because they were offered eternal life through His sacrifice. If they chose to not accept the offer God still offered them a chance to be blessed by Jesus at the white throne.

Mark 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. NKJV

Anyone not against Jesus, or His brethren (Israel) is offered eternal life on earth by Jesus when He judges them at the white throne. So, you can see Jesus died for the entire world. There were requirements for both offers. One, to believe, required no work. The other required that you are not against Jesus, which required work. Anyone against Jesus would cause continual war on the new earth, and those who were not against Jesus could not live in peace. I thank God that He has requirements for both.

Those who believe in Jesus their spiritual mind and the love of Jesus is perfected in them. That means they agree with God's laws and will abide by those laws. Because the love of Jesus is perfected in us, we all will love just as Jesus loved. He loved the Father as well as loved everyone else enough to die for them. With everyone in heaven loving like Jesus loved and obeying all the laws it will be heaven for everyone living there. Those who did not believe in Jesus could not have Jesus' love perfected in them. Without His love in them they would cause war in heaven.

For those who live on the earth I want them to be happy. If God let those who were against Jesus live on the earth they would resent God as well as those who were not in agreement with them. There would be continual war on the new earth. God has the rules for the good of those He will bless. The way the world is now without God being in charge, should convince everyone of the advisability of the need to have God in charge.
 
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There were requirements for both offers. One, to believe, required no work. The other required that you are not against Jesus, which required work. Anyone against Jesus would cause continual war on the new earth, and those who were not against Jesus could not live in peace. I thank God that He has requirements for both.

So you are saying there are 2 different offers to eternal life at the same time?

"One, to believe, required no work", which you have.

"The other required that you are not against Jesus, which required work", which others have.

Why can't the others have the same offer you had?
 
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So you are saying there are 2 different offers to eternal life at the same time?

"One, to believe, required no work", which you have.

"The other required that you are not against Jesus, which required work", which others have.

Why can't the others have the same offer you had?
Everyone can take advantage of one or the other, although only the elect will succeed in believing in Jesus. The church does not teach both offers. The only one they tell people about is believe in Jesus to be saved.
 
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