The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

[essentialsaltes]

Trump administration will reduce traffic at 40 airports across the US starting Friday if shutdown continues​

Ten percent of air traffic at 40 busy airports would be cut,

TEN PERCENT DIDN'T MAKE THE DEMOCRATS CAVE. DO MOAR!

Percentage of flight cuts could jump to 20%, DOT secretary says​

“I don’t want to see that,” Duffy said, noting that “if controllers start coming to work and the pressure goes down, we can move those numbers in the other direction.

 

[camille70]

Chuck Schumer has offered Republicans a deal to reopen the government if they extend the Affordable Care Act subsidies for ONE YEAR.

Video.

https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1986884460671914148?s=20

 

[camille70]

Sen Warnock vid.

https://x.com/Sky_Lee_1/status/1986936233839219035?s=20

 

[Bradskii]

Chuck Schumer has offered Republicans a deal to reopen the government if they extend the Affordable Care Act subsidies for ONE YEAR.

That's just got to be the deal breaker. If the GOP want to see Trump's polling fall even further than it is now then all they have to do is reject the offer.

 

[Bradskii]

That's just got to be the deal breaker. If the GOP want to see Trump's polling fall even further than it is now then all they have to do is reject the offer.

Well, that went south as soon as I posted that. From here: Republicans reject Democrats’ proposal to end longest shutdown in US history

'John Thune, the Senate majority leader, was unmoved by the offer...'

And they turned it down.

 

[Valletta]

Well, that went south as soon as I posted that. From here: Republicans reject Democrats’ proposal to end longest shutdown in US history

'John Thune, the Senate majority leader, was unmoved by the offer...'

And they turned it down.

Democrats again are making an outrageous demand. Let them give 35 billion dollars to the insurance companies from their own pockets instead of from the pockets of working taxpayers. They need to pass the continuing resolution and start working with President Trump and the GOP to lower health care costs.

 

[A2SG]

Democrats again are making an outrageous demand. Let them give 35 billion dollars to the insurance companies from their own pockets instead of from the pockets of working taxpayers. They need to pass the continuing resolution and start working with President Trump and the GOP to lower health care costs.

Because Trump and the GOP have been so willing to do that up to this point, I guess.

-- A2SG, what color is the sky in your world?

 

[Bradskii]

Democrats again are making an outrageous demand. Let them give 35 billion dollars to the insurance companies from their own pockets instead of from the pockets of working taxpayers. They need to pass the continuing resolution and start working with President Trump and the GOP to lower health care costs.

Oh, yeah. Trump had a plan, didn't he? Remind us what that was. If you can't, then explain why the Democrats would trust someone who lies as a matter of course. Trump's polling will fall yet again because all the people who rely on the Affordable Care Act now know what he thinks of them. As does anyone else who is concerned about health in the US.

And you have the nerve to say that all the Dems need to do is back down now and everything will be raindrops and roses and whiskers on kittens? Please...don't treat me, or the US public like idiots.

The longer this drags on, with Trump gratuitously handing out food cards to millionaires and billionaires in his gilded palace while people are literally going hungry on the outside, the deeper into the toilet will head his polling figures. How low can they go? Well...you are about to find out.

 

[Valletta]

Oh, yeah. Trump had a plan, didn't he? Remind us what that was. If you can't, then explain why the Democrats would trust someone who lies as a matter of course. Trump's polling will fall yet again because all the people who rely on the Affordable Care Act now know what he thinks of them. As does anyone else who is concerned about health in the US.

And you have the nerve to say that all the Dems need to do is back down now and everything will be raindrops and roses and whiskers on kittens? Please...don't treat me, or the US public like idiots.

The longer this drags on, with Trump gratuitously handing out food cards to millionaires and billionaires in his gilded palace while people are literally going hungry on the outside, the deeper into the toilet will head his polling figures. How low can they go? Well...you are about to find out.

What this is really about is a struggle for power within the Democratic Party. Democrats had previously stated how the people would suffer, people who depended on SNAP would be cutoff under a shutdown, but they went ahead full steam. How did Senator Blackburn put it, something like the Democrats will continue "until the planes fall out of the skies." Now the Democrats are demanding that the deadlines that they themselves set for the TEMPORARY extensions should now be extended a year--even more money for the insurance companies:

Fetterman: The Democrats 'Own the Shutdown,' This Is an 'Absolute Fail'

On Sunday, during an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) said that Democrats "own the shutdown," which he described as a "fail." | Clips

www.breitbart.com

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Democrats again are making an outrageous demand. Let them give 35 billion dollars to the insurance companies from their own pockets instead of from the pockets of working taxpayers. They need to pass the continuing resolution and start working with President Trump and the GOP to lower health care costs.

What’s the problem? We just gave 40b to Argentina but can’t spend 35 on our own people to have access to healthcare? Why does the GOP want Americans to suffer?

 

[Bradskii]

What this is really about is....

Fetterman: The Democrats 'Own the Shutdown,' This Is an 'Absolute Fail'

On Sunday, during an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) said that Democrats "own the shutdown," which he described as a "fail." | Clips

www.breitbart.com

...is something that would carry more weight if you didn't need to post links to Breibart. Why...I have absolutely no idea. It's almost as all you want to do is admit your argument has no worth. Or at least someone else's argument.

 

[Servus]

The cause and effect of government making health care affordable and accessible. 1 minute video.

 

[Servus]

Because Trump and the GOP have been so willing to do that up to this point, I guess.

They aren't willing to give into DNC demands. And the DNC isn't willing to surrender their demands.

 

[A2SG]

The cause and effect of government making health care affordable and accessible. 1 minute video.

You do realize, I hope, that there is no "socialism" involved with the ACA.

And that's only addressing one of the many massive inaccuracies in that video.

-- A2SG, so many inaccuracies and misunderstanding in such a short video.....

 

[Servus]

You do realize, I hope, that there is no "socialism" involved with the ACA.

And that's only addressing one of the many massive inaccuracies in that video.

Please provide evidence to back up those claims and accusations.

 

[A2SG]

They aren't willing to give into DNC demands.

Or work with them at all. Period. So why would democrats trust republicans to work with them after the GOP gets what they want?

And the DNC isn't willing to surrender their demands.

Why should they? Isn't keeping health care affordable for people worth it?

-- A2SG, not like the GOP is even trying to do that.....exactly the opposite, in fact....

 

[A2SG]

Please provide evidence to back up your accusations.

No problem. The government isn't providing health insurance under the ACA, private insurers do that. How is that socialism?

But, by all means, if you want to make the case that the ACA is socialism, then go right ahead. I'm listening.

-- A2SG, this'll be good....

 

[Servus]

Or work with them at all. Period. So why would democrats trust republicans to work with them after the GOP gets what they want?


Why should they? Isn't keeping health care affordable for people worth it?

The demands of the DNC extend well beyond such euphamistic simplicity.

 

[A2SG]

The demands of the DNC extend well beyond such euphamistic simplicity.

Really? What other demands are those?

-- A2SG, and please, be specific.....

 

[Servus]

No problem. The government isn't providing health insurance under the ACA, private insurers do that. How is that socialism?

But, by all means, if you want to make the case that the ACA is socialism, then go right ahead. I'm listening.

The person in the video didn't say the government is providing health insurance. He said the government is regulating affordability and accessibility.

Question: do socialist governments regulate affordability?

AI Overview

Yes, a primary characteristic and goal of socialist governments is to regulate affordability for citizens, particularly concerning basic needs like housing, healthcare, and food
. This is typically achieved through mechanisms such as:

• • Price Controls: In purely socialist economies, governments set prices for goods and services, rather than allowing market forces (supply and demand) to determine them. The goal is to ensure universal access and prevent excessive costs.
  • Central Planning and State Ownership: The government owns or controls the means of production and distribution, allowing it to direct resources to meet societal needs rather than profit motives. For example, in housing, central planning ensures continuous construction to meet demand and maintain affordability, often resulting in high homeownership rates and low homelessness.
  • Subsidies and Social Welfare Programs: Socialist systems often provide essential goods and services, such as education, healthcare, and sometimes housing and food, at no cost or highly subsidized rates to citizens. These are considered basic rights rather than commodities.
  • Elimination of Profit Motive: By removing or severely limiting the profit motive in key sectors, the government aims to reduce costs that would otherwise go to investors or landlords. For instance, the rental sector might be transformed into socially owned homes to remove the "cash nexus" from housing.
  • Guaranteed Employment/Income: By ensuring employment and establishing wage policies, socialist systems aim to provide a safety net that guarantees citizens have the financial means to meet their basic needs.

In mixed economies with socialist elements, the government may implement policies like rent control, minimum wage laws, or subsidized public options for certain services to improve affordability and reduce economic inequality.