Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

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(CLV) Jn 5:30
"I can not do anything of Myself. According as I am hearing am I judging; and My judging is just, for I am not seeking My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me.

Great verse. Here is another.

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭36‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.”

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[Hentenza]

Hang in the sense of depends not replace

Not.

κρεμάννυμι kremánnymi, krem-an'-noo-mee; a prolonged form of a primary verb; to hang:—hang.

1. to hang up, suspend
2. to be suspended, to hang
   1. used of one hanging on a cross
   2. used of the Law and the Prophets, is summed up or hanging on two precepts

 

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“having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

(CLV) Col 2:14
erasing the handwriting of the decrees (δογμασιν dogmasin G1378 dogma) against us, which was hostile to us, and has taken it away out of the midst, -nailing it to the cross,

Here is an example of dogma:

Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine Third Edition"1). Question: Which is the Sabbath day? "Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. 2). "Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?"Answer. "We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea, transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."


Again the Torah was not nailed to the pale.

 

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(CLV) Col 2:14
erasing the handwriting of the decrees (δογμασιν dogmasin G1378 dogma) against us, which was hostile to us, and has taken it away out of the midst, -nailing it to the cross,

Again the Torah was not nailed to the pale.

The legal document containing decrees is referring to the law. The law was nailed to the cross.

χειρόγραφον cheirógraphon, khi-rog'-raf-on; neuter of a compound of G5495 and G1125; something hand-written ("chirograph"), i.e. a manuscript (specially, a legal document or bond (figuratively)):—handwriting.

“For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Galatians 3:10-14 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is just | New American Standard Bible -

For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is just

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Again, is crystal clear.

 

[HARK!]

For the Jew not for the Christian and Christians are not Jews.

Ephesians 2

11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations (Gentiles) in flesh - who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands -"

Not anymore!

12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world."

Not anymore! Hmmm...covenants, plural.

13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ."

Citizens of Israel.


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.


14 For He is our Peace, Who makes both one, and razes the central wall of the barrier"

No difference between those who were born into the false dogma of Judaism, and those who were born into the false teaching of Paganism. All of those in Yahshua are in the truth of YHWH's perfect Torah.

15 (the enmity in His flesh), nullifying the law of precepts in decrees, (dogma, Talmud) that He should be creating the two, in Himself, into one new humanity, making peace;"

Israel!

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."



16 and should be reconciling both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in it."

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian (FOREVER) statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

17 And, coming, He brings the evangel of peace to you, those afar, and peace to those near, 18 for through Him we both have had access, in one spirit, to the Father." 19 Consequently, then, no longer are you guests and sojourners, but are fellow-citizens of the saints and belong to God's family,

 

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(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

 

[Hentenza]

You're the one who said the 4th commandment wasn't there. Either was the 1st or 2nd or 3rd.

Find it.

Doesn't mean we can break any of them.

If it’s not there then there is nothing to break. The Christian is not required to keep the 4th commandment. Find a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

We can, but I do not think it’s the way we serve and worship God. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 Isa56:6

You can have your sabbath if you so desire and I won’t judge you for it. I will rest on Jesus.

 

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SabbathBlessings said:
You're the one who said the 4th commandment wasn't there. Either was the 1st or 2nd or 3rd.

Find it.

Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

What? Are you saying that Yahshua didn't keep the Sabbath? He did, along with the two Torah instructions that all of the Torah instructions hang on. Are you saying that because Yahshua fulfilled the Shema, that Christians don't have to? He did not. Jesus is the lord of the sabbath and...

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“For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13‬:‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 13:9 For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR N | New American Standard Bible - NASB​

For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR N
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Where is the 4th commandment repeated here?

 

[HARK!]

Have glasses for sale cheap.

Are you trolling your own thread?

 

[HARK!]

Until He ushered in a new covenant.

Renewed covenant.

(CLV) Jer 31:33
For this is the covenant which I shall contract with the house of Israel after those days, averring is Yahweh: I will put My law within them, And I shall write it on their heart; I will become their Elohim, And they shall become My people.

Is Yah's Torah written on your heart?

 

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Ephesians 2

11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations (Gentiles) in flesh - who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands -"

Not anymore!

12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world."

Not anymore! Hmmm...covenants, plural.

13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ."

Citizens of Israel.

Nothing in those verses teach that the Christians are Jews.

During the council in Jerusalem (acts 15) the apostles determined that the Christian did not have to convert to Judaism or keep the law. This had been an ongoing argument and one that both Paul and the writer of Hebrews addressed extensively.

 

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Are you trolling your own thread?

Nah. Just some levity.

 

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Renewed covenant.

Been through this before. A new covenant.

“For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬, ‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:7-13 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I | New American Standard Bible - NA

For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I

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SabbathBlessings said:
You're the one who said the 4th commandment wasn't there. Either was the 1st or 2nd or 3rd.

Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

What? Are you saying that Yahshua didn't keep the Sabbath? He did, along with the two Torah instructions that all of the Torah instructions hang on. Are you saying that because Yahshua fulfilled the Shema, that Christians don't have to? He did not. Jesus is the lord of the sabbath and...

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You still need to find the verse. Find a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

 

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Actually there is patristic evidence from the first and second century where the early church was worshiping on the first day of the week. Examples are the Didache (70ad.), The Epistle of Barbanabas (74ad), Ignatius of Antioch (110 ad), and Justin Martyr (155ad) among others. I can post the wording if you wish.

Hello! Thank you for your interesting post. The Presbyterian Church of Scotland in the 16th Century had quite strict penal sanctions for those who did not worship on Sunday, where I live it's possible to go to the archives and look at who was punished for this and what was done to them. Do you know when the church moved from often worshipping on the Sunday to actively persecuting those who didn't? The biblical Sabbath being a Saturday, it's a big leap to make. God Bless

 

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Nothing in those verses teach that the Christians are Jews.

Define "Jew."

During the council in Jerusalem (acts 15) the apostles determined that the Christian did not have to convert to Judaism or keep the law.

Preposterous!

Thank you for bringing up this passage.

The author of Acts did not contradict YHWH and our Messiah.

Matthew 28:19-20

Complete Jewish Bible

19 Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age.”

This is what is expected of the Ger Toshav:

(CLV) Ac 15:20
but to write an epistle to them to be abstaining from ceremonial pollution with idols, and prostitution, and what is strangled, and blood.



Leviticus 17
7 No longer shall they sacrifice their sacrifices to hairy goat-demons after whom they have been prostituting. An eonian statute shall this become for them throughout their generations. 8 To them you shall say:Any man from the house of Israel or from the sojourners who sojourn in your midst who should offer an ascent offering or a sacrifice 9 and not bring it to the opening of the tent of appointment to offer it to Yahweh, that man will be cut off from his kinsmen. 10 As for any man from the house of Israel and from the sojourners sojourning in your midst who should eat any blood, I will set My face against the soul eating blood, and I will cut him off from among his people, 11 for the soul of the flesh, it is in the blood, and I Myself have assigned it to you to make a propitiatory shelter over your souls on the altar; for the blood, in the soul it makes a propitiatory shelter. 12 Therefore I say to the sons of Israel:No soul at all of you shall eat blood; nor shall the sojourner sojourning in your midst eat blood. 13 Any man from the sons of Israel and from the sojourners sojourning in your midst who hunt a game animal or a flyer which may be eaten will pour out its blood and cover it with soil, 14 for the soul of all flesh is its blood; as its soul is it. So I said to the sons of Israel:The blood of any flesh you shall not eat, for the soul of all flesh, it is its blood. Everyone eating it shall be cut off.

James didn't just make this up on the fly. It came straight out of the Torah.

For those who don't know what a Ger Toshav is; it is a former Goy, who is now new to the faith, a babe. He is shown grace until he learns to become a GerTzedek, a full citizen of Israel.

How did James expect the Ger Toshav to grow into a Ger Tzedek?

Let's read on...

(CLV) Ac 15:21
For Moses, from ancient generations, city by city, has those who are heralding him, being read on every sabbath in the synagogues."

Moses is used synonymously with Yah's Torah.

They were learning Yah's Torah on every Shabbat.

What was that you were saying about the Ger Toshav and Shabbat?

 

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Just because someone makes an inference. does not mean that there was an implication.

Yah's Torah is not elements of the world, empty seduction. and all for corruption from use, in accord with the directions and teachings of men

I presented a study on Colossae here: Colossians 2:16

This was one of the more informative posts in this study too:

From your attempted exegesis, I'm wondering what your supporting sources/commentaries are? I have my own, so don't be surprised if I don't take your commentary here too seriously, especially since I don't really see any explication here in your writing about the 'Colossian Heresy' that Paul had to deal with.

Secondly, don't spend much time trying to refute me because being that I see Sabbath observance as a 'secondary issue,' I won't be around long enough in this thread for you to make it worth your time.

 

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“A new covenant,”

Still a mistranslation. as demonstrated in both the Greek and the Hebrew.

 

[HARK!]

I'm wondering what your supporting sources/commentaries are?

I already presented my source. I tossed out all of the misguided dogma that I had been fed; and I read the Epistle objectively in harmony with Yah's word.

That dogma don't hunt!

LOL!

 

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I already presented my source. I tossed out all of the misguided dogma that I had been fed; and I read the Epistle objectively in harmony with Yah's word.

That dogma don't hunt!

LOL!

I don't even know what you're saying or joking about, as if it's so funny. If you want to worship on the Jewish Sabbath, then fine. Have at it. I'm not here telling you that you shouldn't be doing so, sister Hark.