Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

[Hentenza]

What? Are you saying that Yahshua didn't keep the Sabbath?

He did, along with the two Torah instructions that all of the Torah instructions hang on.

Are you saying that because Yahshua fulfilled the Shema, that Christians don't have to?

He did not. Jesus is the lord of the sabbath and fulfilled the sabbath rest on Himself. We rest in Jesus now. Amazing what God can do.

Now, Paul explains in Col. 2:16 that no one is to Judge another in matters of food, moons, festivals, or special days like the sabbath so you are welcomed to continue to keep the sabbath.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes, the entire Bible hangs on the Testimony of God,

This is not what the verse says. The whole of the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments. It is only speaking about the law and Jesus commandments.

 

[Hentenza]

Jesus quoted Deut6:5 right after the Ten Commandments was repeated and it included the 4th.

Where? We love God with everything we have.

I am not in a position to disprove what God says, to remove Him as our Creator Exo20:11 the Gpd we are called to worship Rev14:7 but that can be between you and He.

Take care

No one is asking you do disprove God. I am asking you to prove your interpretation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Where? We love God with everything we have.

Read Deut 5 up to Deut6:5 this is what Jesus repeated in Mark12:30

Love to God, love to man never went undefined. Never up to each individual to choose, because we are not God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is not what the verse says. The whole of the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments. It is only speaking about the law and Jesus commandments.

It hangs on the summary of the commandments- which does not delete the details Rom13:9 Deut6:5 after repeating in the Ten Commandments, The whole Bible is about Love. Love to God, love to our brethern. How to love is not up to individuals , its according to God 1John5:2-3

 

[Hentenza]

Read Deut 5 up to Deut6:5

The problem for you is that the audience for Deuteronomy is Israel not the Christian church.

Love to God, love to man never went undefined. Never up to each individual to choose, because we are not God.

Have no clue what you said here.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The problem for you is that the audience for Deuteronomy is Israel not the Christian church.

Have no clue what you said here.

Its a matter of not understanding Israel. It was never literal, its God's sons and daughters.


Exo 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD: "Israel is My son, My firstborn.
Hos 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.

Israel is God's son, His firstborn. If Israel was literal it would mean Adam. Obviously its not literal as it represents God's people.


Exo 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD: "Israel is My son, My firstborn.
Hos 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.

Israel is God's son, His firstborn. If Israel was literal it would mean Adam. Obviously its not literal as it represents God's people.

Who is the true Israel?

Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt,
Mat 2:15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."

We are grafted into Christ the true Israel through faith and part of the promise.

 

[HIM]

The Sabbath doesn't need to be mentioned by name in Romans 14:5,6 (or in Colossians 2:16, for that matter) because it's implied by Paul in his allusion to general debates that took place between Jews and Gentiles over the issue of observing certain days and holy days or eating certain foods.

Not ever

 

[HIM]

If you choose and not judge others for not choosing as you (Col. 2:16).

Sabbaths not Sabbath. Big difference between the Sabbath of the Decalogue and the Sabbaths of the handwritten ordinances. See verse 14.

 

[HARK!]

“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 22:40 Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”

bible.com

It’s crystal clear.

It is to me.

That word hanging doesn't mean that Yah's word went to the gallows. All of the Torah hangs on the greatest commandment, the Shema.

If we love Yah; we will obey him. He tells us in his Torah to love our associate.

Let's follow the logic here. If we love Yah we will love our associate.

The greatest hangs on the second greatest.

The Decalogue starts with instruction about loving Yah the greatest.

The second part of the Decalogue gives us instructions for loving our associate, the second greatest.

The order is ingenious; isn't it?

Because the second hangs on the first; all of the decalogue hangs on the first.

But wait, it doesn't stop there Yah gives us many more examples of how to love him, and our associates in the rest of his instructions. They all hang on the Decalogues, which hangs on the greatest.

But wait, it doesn't stop there.

As we grow nearer to him; he writes his Torah on our hearts.

There is nothing in the scriptures that says that I can't take a motorcycle. and do doughnuts on his lawn while he is on vacation.

I don't need to have that example spelled out for me. I have examples of how to treat my neighbors in the Torah. The Torah in my heart hangs on the Torah Yah gave me in writing. The sum of that hangs on the Decalogue. which ultimately hangs on the Shema.

It's really quite simple really.

It's not too hard.


I trust Yah at his word on that.


(CLV) Dt 30:11
For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.

I trust John's testimony to that.


(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

Some Christians have been indoctrinated all of their lives that they can't keep Yah's Torah; despite what Yah says.

I call them to repentance to just try it.

Some take great joy in celebrating pagan holidays, while going out of their way to avoid honoring Yah's Holy days.

Here's the hard part for me:

Why?

Yah's Holly Days are joyous for me. Yah says don't honor him like Pagans celebrate; and he says repeatedly that his Holy days are forever.

 

[Hentenza]

It hangs on the summary of the commandments- which does not delete the details Rom13:9 Deut6:5 after repeating in the Ten Commandments,

“For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13‬:‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 13:9 For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR N | New American Standard Bible - NASB

For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR N

bible.com

Where is the 4th commandment repeated here?

In a previous post you divided the commandments into the first 4 being summed up in Jesus first commandment and the other 6 into Jesus second commandment. If we follow your logic then why would the 4th commandment be summed up into the second commandment rather than the first? The verse you cited is about the second commandment not the first.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

“For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13‬:‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 13:9 For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR N | New American Standard Bible - NASB

For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR N

bible.com

Where is the 4th commandment repeated here?

In a previous post you divided the commandments into the first 4 being summed up in Jesus first commandment and the other 6 into Jesus second commandment. If we follow your logic then why would the 4th commandment be summed up into the second commandment rather than the first? The verse you cited is about the second commandment not the first.

This was the second greatest commandment, not the first and if you look at the first few verses in this chapter its about submitting to earthy governments, which no government should dictate the first 4 commandments , why it doesn't have any of the first 4 commandments, but it doesn't mean they get deleted. The Bible is not built on if one is not repeated every time it gets deleted. We are told plainly when we break one commandment quoting and contrasting the He who said of the Ten Commandments, we break them all James 2:10-11. When one of the Ten is quoted it means them all because the God of the OT is the same God as the NT. He defined His laws and He did plainly written and spoken, we all have to answer to this same God Exo20:11 Rev14:7

 

[Hentenza]

Sabbaths not Sabbath. Big difference between the Sabbath of the Decalogue and the Sabbaths of the handwritten ordinances. See verse 14.

Nah. You can’t just isolate the definition you like.


σάββατον sábbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin (H7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:—sabbath (day), week.

Also, how does verse 14 help your argument, you know that the certificate of debt consisting of decrees being canceled is the law, right?

“having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Colossians 2:14 having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible

having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

bible.com

 

[Hentenza]

This was the second greatest commandment, not the first, why is doesn't have any of the first 4 commandments, doesn't mean they get deleted.

Strawman again. Nothing is being deleted. Stop misrepresenting the argument for drama effect.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Strawman again. Nothing is being deleted. Stop misrepresenting the argument for drama effect.

You're the one who said the 4th commandment wasn't there. Either was the 1st or 2nd or 3rd. Doesn't mean we can break any of them. We can, but I do not think its the way we serve and worship God. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 Isa56:6

 

[HARK!]

The Sabbath doesn't need to be mentioned by name in Romans 14:5,6 (or in Colossians 2:16, for that matter) because it's implied by Paul in his allusion to general debates that took place between Jews and Gentiles over the issue of observing certain days and holy days or eating certain foods.

Just because someone makes an inference. does not mean that there was an implication.

Yah's Torah is not elements of the world, empty seduction. and all for corruption from use, in accord with the directions and teachings of men

I presented a study on Colossae here: Colossians 2:16

This was one of the more informative posts in this study too:

Paul makes the judgements of those who were practicing of Paganism and Asceticism in Colossae crystal clear in these verses:

(CLV) Col 2:8
Beware that no one shall be despoiling you through philosophy and empty seduction, in accord with human tradition, in accord with the elements of the world, and not in accord with Christ,

Human tradition! Paul is not talking about abandoning YHWH's eternal Moedim, as outlined in his word.

(CLV) Col 2:20
If, then, you died together with Christ from the elements of the world, why, as living in the world, are you subject to decrees:

Elements of the world! Paul is not talking about YHWH's kadosh Torah. The Torah is spiritual.

Why are you subject to decrees? The Greek word here is "dogma," man made worldly human dogma. He's not telling his disciples to ingnore YHWH's word.

(CLV) Col 2:21
"You should not be touching, nor yet tasting, nor yet coming into contact,"

Asceticism!

(CLV) Col 2:22
(which things are all for corruption from use), in accord with the directions and teachings of men?

In contradiction to YHWH's word, to honor his Moedim and Shabbats forever!

 

[HARK!]

Now, Paul explains in Col. 2:16 that no one is to Judge another in matters of food, moons, festivals, or special days like the sabbath so you are welcomed to continue to keep the sabbath.

That is not what he said. He said don't let Gnostics judge you as you keep the Torah. See here.

Again, Yah's Torah is not elements of the world, empty seduction. and all for corruption from use, in accord with the directions and teachings of men.

 

[HARK!]

He did not. Jesus is the lord of the sabbath and fulfilled the sabbath rest on Himself.

(CLV) Jn 5:30
"I can not do anything of Myself. According as I am hearing am I judging; and My judging is just, for I am not seeking My will, but the will of Him Who sends Me.

 

[HIM]

Paul said many things about the law. The main teaching is reduced to the fact that the Christian is NOT under the law. The Christian has the two love commandments of Jesus.

“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 22:40 Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”

bible.com

Hang in the sense of depends not replace

 

[Hentenza]

It is to me.

Have glasses for sale cheap.

That word hanging doesn't mean that Yah's word went to the gallows.

It also means to suspend which is a wonderful visual of how Jesus fulfilled the law by hanging from a tree and become a curse just as the law is now a curse (Gal. 3),

All of the Torah hangs on the greatest commandment, the Shema.

If we love Yah; we will obey him. He tells us in his Torah to love our associate.

Let's follow the logic here. If we love Yah we will love our associate.

The greatest hangs on the second greatest.

The Decalogue starts with instruction about loving Yah the greatest.

The second part of the Decalogue gives us instructions for loving our associate, the second greatest.

The order is ingenious; isn't it?

Because the second hangs on the first; all of the decalogue hangs on the first.

But wait, it doesn't stop there Yah gives us many more examples of how to love him, and our associates in the rest of his instructions. They all hang on the Decalogues, which hangs on the greatest.

But wait, it doesn't stop there.

As we grow nearer to him; he writes his Torah on our hearts.

There is nothing in the scriptures that says that I can't take a motorcycle. and do doughnuts on his lawn while he is on vacation.

I don't need to have that example spelled out for me. I have examples of how to treat my neighbors in the Torah. The Torah in my heart hangs on the Torah Yah gave me in writing. The sum of that hangs on the Decalogue. which ultimately hangs on the Shema.

It's really quite simple really.

For the Jew not for the Christian and Christians are not Jews.

It's not too hard.

Not at all.

I trust Yah at his word on that.

You do that.

(CLV) Dt 30:11
For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.

I trust John's testimony to that.


(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

Some Christians have been indoctrinated all of their lives that they can't keep Yah's Torah; despite what Yah says.

I call them to repentance to just try it.

Some take great joy in celebrating pagan holidays, while going out of their way to avoid honoring Yah's Holy days.

Here's the hard part for me:

Why?

Yah's Holly Days are joyous for me.

Then enjoy your days. I’ll enjoy mine.

Yah says don't honor him like Pagans celebrate;

Are you saying that Christians are pagans?

and he says repeatedly that his Holy days are forever.

Until He ushered in a new covenant. You know, God can do that as well as choosing another people’s because His old people rebelled against Him and could have never kept His law perfectly. But He sent His son who fulfilled (completed) the law. Ain’t that just grand?