Trump third term

[Postvieww]

The rules to become a president in the United States, is so bad, that Trump was a possibility to become president. Thanks to Trump, China is becoming a place, that other countries are turning to. While American people get screwed.

Duly elected president because the last one was not mentally able to function as president and the party anointed replacement was no better.

Trump is spending a lot of money on bailing out Argentina. Because he friends with the president of Argentina. America farmers lost their Soybeans account to Argentina. Because of Trump's Tariffs nonsense.

And just gained China as a buyer of soybeans because of Trump’s tariffs.

Because of Trump farmers lose 20 percent of cows account to Argentina. Because Trump cares more about his friends in Argentina, than American people. Farmers in Red States are suffering big time and so are people. Because they are making less money.

Not sure about this ? Source? I do know herds are down in the US and need to be “beefed up” up. Pun intended.

They depend on Affordable Act Care and SNAP, but Trump doesn't care.

The part expiring was set to expire by Democrats and now they are holding the country hostage demanding 1.5 trillion in additional spending. You blaming Trump for snap is totally bogus. It is the Democrats who do not care for the people of this country holding them hostage by refusing to vote for the same clean CR they voted for 13 times in the past.

Because of Tariffs people have to pay more money on healthy foods

The tariffs are working for the benefit of this nation , wake up.

Luckily I can grow my own food

Good for you. Share with some those who the Democrats in congress are trying to starve by pitching a tantrum

Trump waisted millions on a ballroom. Instead of caring about putting money in projects for kids, homeless or anything useful.

Private money ! Get over it. This type of thing has been done by many previous presidents including Obama and probably with tax payer’s money.

Our government is so bad, that Trump and his enablers aren't fired and in prison .

I believe you are referring to last administration. If you doubt me let’s see who spends their time in court now.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Trump is really a symptom, not a cause, of American cultural decay. It's been a long process in the making.

While I agree that he is a symptom I think we also must acknowledge that he is also a validation, an approval of that character decay and thus accelerates it.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

They're elected in a 2-person competition where people are often times forced to go with "lesser of two evils" based on their current priority list.

I get that and agree. But that does not mean we must also give him a free pass on everything. I guess an aspect of this polarization is that we do not have the security to hold “our” candidate (elected officials) accountable. Instead, we circle the wagons and double down even on the most damaging issues and actions.

 

[PloverWing]

I have been very open on this forum about my belief that Trump was chosen by God for this country in this time. More than one Christian leader prophesied before the fact that Trump would have 2 terms. That said it should be very easy to figure out the reason for the unhinged opposition to him. I am sure I do not need to draw anyone a picture. Anyone who has read many of my posts noticed that I frequently use the phrase “unnatural hatred” of Trump. That was a very intentional choice of words.

I've been trying to understand the Trump phenomenon for almost a decade now. What you've said here gives me one informative piece of the puzzle.

I hear you saying that you believe that Trump is an agent of God, doing God's work, and that opposition to Trump comes (at least in part) from spiritual forces that are opposed to the work of God. Have I understood you correctly?

If that's your view, then strong loyalty to Trump does make some sense. After all, who would want to oppose the work of God?

I want to ask a clarifying question. Do you see Trump as a figure who embodies God's word and will in the same sense as prophets like Isaiah and Elijah, so that the words he says in his tweets and speeches are reflecting the message and character of God? Or, alternatively, do you see Trump as a figure like Nebuchadnezzar, a secular figure used by God to smash a nation that needed smashing (as divine punishment for sin, perhaps)?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I get that and agree. But that does not mean we must also give him a free pass on everything. I guess an aspect of this polarization is that we do not have the security to hold “our” candidate (elected officials) accountable. Instead, we circle the wagons and double down even on the most damaging issues and actions.

I would venture a guess and suggest that the "circle the wagons" mentality was formed, in no small part, due to the perception that "He was our guy, and you guys did everything imaginable to get him out of there almost immediately as to not let us have our win"... and that perception wouldn't be entirely baseless.

Not sure who recalls this one...but per a WaPo article from the day of his swearing in, in 2017:

(the WaPo article is from January of 2017)
The effort to impeach President Donald John Trump is already underway.
At the moment the new commander in chief was sworn in, a campaign to build public support for his impeachment went live at ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org, spearheaded by two liberal advocacy groups aiming to lay the groundwork for his ejection from the White House.

There was another named "Impeach Day 1", that raised money ahead of time, and had a countdown timer on their home page counting down the days/hours/minutes until his first-term swearing in, and when the counter reached zero, that's when they started trying to lobby congressional members to file various articles of impeachment.


Basically telling the other half of America "we don't like that you won, so we're going try to get him out of there the second he takes office, and maybe next time, you'll pick from one of our pre-approved candidates"


It's the same gripe I had about Mitch McConnell's comments about Obama, when he did that presser where he famously said (speaking of the GOP's "No compromise Pledge" schtick they were doing) "The single most important thing we want to achieve is deny President Obama a second term.”
(progressives, understandably and rightfully circled the wagons around Obama in response to that)


Telling the winning half "we don't like your policy agenda, so we're going to kneecap your guys so that you can't have any of the things you voted for, even though you won...doesn't matter, we should get our way regardless of if we win or lose"


"When we win, we'll ram through all the things we want... when you win, we'll obstruct and pull every lever we can to make sure your guy's merely a placeholder until we win again" is never going to elicit a reaction of reasonableness and "willingness to find middle ground".

 

[ThatRobGuy]

1. A president who spends his time tweeting.

2. Rampant corruption, self-dealing, criminality, etc.

3. Backing dictators and betraying democracies internationally. Threatening to leave NATO.

those aren't normal...which is I why I didn't vote for Trump.

Trump was abnormal and Biden promised a return to normalcy. Then there was the fact that it was 2020 and the other return to normalcy he could promise was the wide-spread distribution of the vaccine to put an end to any remaining restrictions and ... return us to normal.

I wasn't referring to "return to normal" in the covid context. That was a separate beast. And on that one, it was more of a state-by-state gubernatorial thing.

I was referring to normalcy in the context of "when the adults used to be in charge and told the radicals to go sit in the corner" as opposed to "drawing inspiration from the radicals"

Sure, they can, Rob, sure they can...

Policies of the nature of "You'll wait in Mexico while your asylum application is being processed, so if you're seeking asylum here, be prepared to spend a few months living in Tijuana or Nueva Laredo" seemed to work for both Obama and Trump in terms of deterring, shall we call it, "economic asylum". (despite the two having very different leadership styles)

And that is *politics* of the normal kind. President tries to implement a policy, courts reject it, policy modified to meet the law.

Which is just politics or policy. Perfectly with in the normal pattern of presidential actions. That you don't like it doesn't change that. The presidencies of Bush and Obama were "normal" as well.

Actually no, there's normalcy in terms of procedure perhaps, but the things being advocated for most certainly were not normal.

You mentioned Bush. One of the reasons I was so deeply opposed to Bush back in the day was because the Patriot Act was not normal. The fact that certain 'normal procedures' were followed is secondary to the fact that the policies being advocated for were way outside the norm.


A bill to lower the drinking age to 12 could be pristine in terms of procedure. Both houses of congress pass it, president signs it, etc... But that would be far from "normal"

 

[Hans Blaster]

those aren't normal...which is I why I didn't vote for Trump.

And I voted for his best opponent 4 times.

I wasn't referring to "return to normal" in the covid context. That was a separate beast. And on that one, it was more of a state-by-state gubernatorial thing.

I was referring to normalcy in the context of "when the adults used to be in charge and told the radicals to go sit in the corner" as opposed to "drawing inspiration from the radicals"

What you referred to isn't important. It is what *Biden* meant.

Policies of the nature of "You'll wait in Mexico while your asylum application is being processed, so if you're seeking asylum here, be prepared to spend a few months living in Tijuana or Nueva Laredo" seemed to work for both Obama and Trump in terms of deterring, shall we call it, "economic asylum". (despite the two having very different leadership styles)




Actually no, there's normalcy in terms of procedure perhaps, but the things being advocated for most certainly were not normal.

You mentioned Bush. One of the reasons I was so deeply opposed to Bush back in the day was because the Patriot Act was not normal. The fact that certain 'normal procedures' were followed is secondary to the fact that the policies being advocated for were way outside the norm.


A bill to lower the drinking age to 12 could be pristine in terms of procedure. Both houses of congress pass it, president signs it, etc... But that would be far from "normal"

 

[stevevw]

Why is everyone scared of Trump or any president holding government for long periods. In my nation and in many others we have a history of priministers sometimes being in government often for 3 terms or longer. Some of our best periods were under long term leaders.

I think its actually better as it allows stability. The system where potentially the government can change every 4 years seems self defeating. Its like one step forward and two steps back. Each time the new opposing party undoes most of the policies and changes. Forever undoing progress. Especially when you consider that the parties today are radically different.

 

[Postvieww]

I've been trying to understand the Trump phenomenon for almost a decade now. What you've said here gives me one informative piece of the puzzle.

I hear you saying that you believe that Trump is an agent of God, doing God's work, and that opposition to Trump comes (at least in part) from spiritual forces that are opposed to the work of God. Have I understood you correctly?

You partial get what I am saying, I will try to clarify. I said I believe God chose Trump for this country in this time for His purpose. That does not mean Trump is a perfect man , there has only been one of those and that was Jesus. God uses imperfect men for his purposes even though sometimes self righteous judges of men think that God would never do that.

If that's your view, then strong loyalty to Trump does make some sense. After all, who would want to oppose the work of God?

This country had fallen into darkness with much of our leadership participating in corruption as evidenced be the many investigations and facts now coming to light. My real loyalty is to the mission of restoring this nation to its roots, who ever God chooses to do that is fine with me. There actually is a right and a wrong, a black and white and a common sense way of doing things. So far from all the evidence I see it is one side of the political spectrum causing most of the moral disintegration of this nation. Who is it that supports abortion on demand, open borders, opposes law and order in many cases, transgenderism being force fed to very young kids. Who is it that hates the America as founded and seeks to mold it into some unrecognizable form of it’s former self.

I want to ask a clarifying question. Do you see Trump as a figure who embodies God's word and will in the same sense as prophets like Isaiah and Elijah, so that the words he says in his tweets and speeches are reflecting the message and character of God? Or, alternatively, do you see Trump as a figure like Nebuchadnezzar, a secular figure used by God to smash a nation that needed smashing (as divine punishment for sin, perhaps)?

No, I do not think Trump is comparable to prophets of God. I do believe Trump’s purpose is to right this ship, meaning returning this nation to its former glory and to start the process of rooting out deeply embedded corruption. It’s not about “divine punishment “ this is about stopping waste, fraud and all types of corruption. Yes I believe this is a spiritual battle and when I use the term “ unnatural hatred “ of Trump that an indicator of the spiritual nature of this situation. It should be obvious that if my beliefs are true that God put Trump in this position for a specific reason to spend exhaustive energy to fight Trump at every turn cannot be a righteous cause. This is a fact, there are several documented cases where Christian leaders who before the fact prophesied Trump would have two terms. It is up to every individual as to whether or not they accept that as legitimate. But it cannot be denied that these Christian leaders said what they said. Just look at the fact of who is calling who nazi and worse, who is committing/supporting violence in the streets and calling it peaceful protest? Who is promoting a communist for mayor of NY? Your question asking if I think Trumps speeches, and tweets represent the character of God tells me all I need to know about the real purpose of your questions. I could ask if AOC, Schumer, Jeffries , Pelosi and others of that camp represent moral clarity on anything. No Trumps tweets do not represent the character of God but God is using a flawed human being to expose some of the hidden darkness of this nation.

 

[Postvieww]

Why is everyone scared of Trump or any president holding government for long periods. In my nation and in many others we have a history of priministers sometimes being in government often for 3 terms or longer. Some of our best periods were under long term leaders.

I think it’s actually better as it allows stability. The system where potentially the government can change every 4 years seems self defeating. It’s like one step forward and two steps back. Each time the new opposing party undoes most of the policies and changes. Forever undoing progress. Especially when you consider that the parties today are radically different.

It is not just the idea of 3 or more terms for anyone, it is about hating Trump plain and simple. Trump represents a disinfectant type of exposure and change unacceptable to one side of the political spectrum.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

It is not just the idea of 3 or more terms for anyone, it is about hating Trump plain and simple. Trump represents a disinfectant type of exposure and change unacceptable to one side of the political spectrum.

No, he represents a toxicity that has damaged our relationships even with our closest allies and within ourselves. He is a toxic boor who has demolished the White House. I used to think Bush snd Chaney were bad for the country and still do. But Trump is also obnoxious.

 

[Postvieww]

No, he represents a toxicity that has damaged our relationships even with our closest allies and within ourselves. He is a toxic boor who has demolished the White House. I used to think Bush snd Chaney were bad for the country and still do. But Trump is also obnoxious.

Sounds like a typical I hate Trump rant. Our allies and enemies were either laughing at or shocked by the Biden fiasco. Demolished the White House??? Are you kidding?? If you are talking about the ballroom project, other presidents have also made physical changes and most likely they were at taxpayers expense. Trump is doing his best to save this nation from the certain demise we were headed for under liberal leadership.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Why is everyone scared of Trump or any president holding government for long periods. In my nation and in many others we have a history of priministers sometimes being in government often for 3 terms or longer. Some of our best periods were under long term leaders.

I think its actually better as it allows stability. The system where potentially the government can change every 4 years seems self defeating. Its like one step forward and two steps back. Each time the new opposing party undoes most of the policies and changes. Forever undoing progress. Especially when you consider that the parties today are radically different.

I'm not scared of the concept in general - I think there are good reasons to have term limits, and there are also good reasons to not have them. But the law says that the US has term limits for the presidency.

What worries me is the willingness of people (including the President) to ignore (or contemplate ignoring, or "joke about" ignoring) the law. You can't ignore the law just because you don't like it, or because it's "funny" - if you genuinely think it's in the best interest of the country to remove term limits from the presidency, that's fine. But there's an established way to go about changing the law.

 

[NxNW]

You partial get what I am saying, I will try to clarify. I said I believe God chose Trump for this country in this time for His purpose.

I wonder what the purpose is.

This country had fallen into darkness with much of our leadership participating in corruption as evidenced be the many investigations and facts now coming to light.

I've never seen as much corruption as I have with Trump.

My real loyalty is to the mission of restoring this nation to its roots

What roots are those?

There actually is a right and a wrong, a black and white and a common sense way of doing things. So far from all the evidence I see it is one side of the political spectrum causing most of the moral disintegration of this nation.

Between bribing Stormy Daniels, trying to overthrow the government and assassinatate the VP & Speaker, and stealing classified documents, and supporting pedophiles like Epstein, it's pretty clear which party is guilty.

Who is it that supports abortion on demand, open borders, opposes law and order in many cases, transgenderism being force fed to very young kids.

Nobody supports any of these. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

Who is it that hates the America as founded and seeks to mold it into some unrecognizable form of it’s former self.

Who?

It should be obvious that if my beliefs are true that God put Trump in this position for a specific reason to spend exhaustive energy to fight Trump at every turn cannot be a righteous cause.

Given Trump's corruption listed above, fighting him can only be righteous.

I could ask if AOC, Schumer, Jeffries , Pelosi and others of that camp represent moral clarity on anything.

The answer would be yes.

No Trumps tweets do not represent the character of God but God is using a flawed human being to expose some of the hidden darkness of this nation.

Trump is a vivid manifestation of the worst traits of humanity.

 

[durangodawood]

You partial get what I am saying, I will try to clarify. I said I believe God chose Trump for this country in this time for His purpose. That does not mean Trump is a perfect man , there has only been one of those and that was Jesus. God uses imperfect men for his purposes even though sometimes self righteous judges of men think that God would never do that.

Are there elections where God does not get his way, and something/someone else prevails over the will of God?

 

[PloverWing]

No, I do not think Trump is comparable to prophets of God. I do believe Trump’s purpose is to right this ship, meaning returning this nation to its former glory and to start the process of rooting out deeply embedded corruption. It’s not about “divine punishment “ this is about stopping waste, fraud and all types of corruption.

No Trumps tweets do not represent the character of God but God is using a flawed human being to expose some of the hidden darkness of this nation.

So: Not a prophet, and not a messenger of God, but still being used by God. And not divine punishment of the nation, but divine correction of the nation. Is this closer to what you're trying to say?

The answer to my next question may be "God's ways are inscrutable", but I'll ask it anyway. The 2016 Republican primary had 17 different candidates at the start. Do you believe that God chose Trump in particular out of that field of candidates? If so, can you speculate about what qualities in Trump made God choose him as the agent of change, rather than Cruz, Kasich, Santorum, and so forth? (That is, I see that from your point of view, you'd want one of the Republicans to be president. But why do you believe that God chose Trump in particular, rather than one of the others?)

Your question asking if I think Trumps speeches, and tweets represent the character of God tells me all I need to know about the real purpose of your questions.

Truly, my purpose is to try to understand you and those like you who believe Trump is chosen by God to do God's work. I'm not trying to convert you or persuade you; obviously, you and I disagree and will continue to disagree. But I want to understand your point of view. You have said that "God chose Trump for this country in this time for His purpose", and I want to understand what you mean when you say that.

 

[Postvieww]

So: Not a prophet, and not a messenger of God, but still being used by God. And not divine punishment of the nation, but divine correction of the nation. Is this closer to what you're trying to say?

The answer to my next question may be "God's ways are inscrutable", but I'll ask it anyway. The 2016 Republican primary had 17 different candidates at the start. Do you believe that God chose Trump in particular out of that field of candidates? If so, can you speculate about what qualities in Trump made God choose him as the agent of change, rather than Cruz, Kasich, Santorum, and so forth? (That is, I see that from your point of view, you'd want one of the Republicans to be president. But why do you believe that God chose Trump in particular, rather than one of the others?)



Truly, my purpose is to try to understand you and those like you who believe Trump is chosen by God to do God's work. I'm not trying to convert you or persuade you; obviously, you and I disagree and will continue to disagree. But I want to understand your point of view. You have said that "God chose Trump for this country in this time for His purpose", and I want to understand what you mean when you say that.

The God of the universe knows the hearts of men . He know their motives , thoughts and abilities. Those are things we cannot really know about men just by their campaign slogans alone. Whether you agree with Trump or not it is abundantly clear he came into office fulfilling promises at lightning speed all the while be hindered at every turn mainly by rogue judges, liberal governors and mayors. If I were to speculate as you ask I would say from past performance Trumps getter done drive was a factor, but I still don’t think that us mere mortals are qualified to question or fully comprehend God’s motives.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Sounds like a typical I hate Trump rant. Our allies and enemies were either laughing at or shocked by the Biden fiasco. Demolished the White House??? Are you kidding?? If you are talking about the ballroom project, other presidents have also made physical changes and most likely they were at taxpayers expense. Trump is doing his best to save this nation from the certain demise we were headed for under liberal leadership.

Ya, a three sentence “rant” against the only person who can “save” this nation. Would you like to see a third term in spite of the current constitution?

 

[FreeinChrist]

So: Not a prophet, and not a messenger of God, but still being used by God. And not divine punishment of the nation, but divine correction of the nation. Is this closer to what you're trying to say?

The answer to my next question may be "God's ways are inscrutable", but I'll ask it anyway. The 2016 Republican primary had 17 different candidates at the start. Do you believe that God chose Trump in particular out of that field of candidates? If so, can you speculate about what qualities in Trump made God choose him as the agent of change, rather than Cruz, Kasich, Santorum, and so forth? (That is, I see that from your point of view, you'd want one of the Republicans to be president. But why do you believe that God chose Trump in particular, rather than one of the others?)



Truly, my purpose is to try to understand you and those like you who believe Trump is chosen by God to do God's work. I'm not trying to convert you or persuade you; obviously, you and I disagree and will continue to disagree. But I want to understand your point of view. You have said that "God chose Trump for this country in this time for His purpose", and I want to understand what you mean when you say that.

Some forget that God allowed bad rulers to lead as a way of punishing a nation. Jeroboam and Manasseh of Judah were bad kings.
Just because a man is the leader does not mean God approves of them.

Did God Pick Donald Trump? - Message Magazine

After Donald J. Trump was elected back in 2016, a friend of mine told me not to complain, because Trump’s presidency was what God...

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A deeper look at the passage demands that we pump the brake some, starting with the key word in the text, established – “the authorities… have been established by God”. The word sounds like a pretty energetic verb, invoking a sense of strong intent and purpose; people tend to establish things that they feel strongly about – like Foundations, Institutions and Monuments.​

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But that isn’t quite the case here, because the word used here for established isn’t an active verb at all! Instead, it’s a passive participle (“tetagmenai”) being used here. And while the word is derived from a verb (“tasso”) that means “to arrange, or set things in order”, the way that it is used here is altered because of the grammar. Instead of asserting that God is ordaining his personal choices for leadership in every election, Romans 13:1 is suggesting that leaders are in their position because God simply allows them to be there. It’s not so much that God is demonstrating HIS preference when a leader ascends to power; sometimes it’s more about God allowing that which is in place to remain, by divine forbearance.​

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This makes sense when you consider God’s painful lament given through the Prophet Hosea…​

“They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval.” (Hosea 8:4)​

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This passage shows that that some leaders somehow get elected/appointed without God’s approval. But the fact is that God is sovereign; therefore, any leader in any position can only be there with God’s approval! In short, ALL leaders are established because God allows them to be – regardless as to whether they reflect God’s ideal preference.​

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Trump is not representative of a godly leader in any way. He will say the right words then act differently. His many instances of fraud (Trump U, Trump Foundation, lies on tax forms, etc) do not reflect a godly man. The adultery in his life do not reflect God. The sexual assaut in his life do not reflect God. The tremendous amount of lying does not reflect God.

God allowed Trump to the presidency, but Trump will bring the country down. Thousands are losing jobs, including manufacturing ones. Housing is in a recession per Bessent. Tariffs have just groups such as farmers. Trump's recent agreement with China for soy farmers is less than what soy farmers would have gotten had not Trump started the tariffs in the first place. For many reasons, public opinion of Trump is the worst of any president 1st or 2nd term.

 

[Postvieww]

Some forget that God allowed bad rulers to lead as a way of punishing a nation. Jeroboam and Manasseh of Judah were bad kings.
Just because a man is the leader does not mean God approves of them.

True.

A deeper look at the passage demands that we pump the brake some, starting with the key word in the text, established – “the authorities… have been established by God”. The word sounds like a pretty energetic verb, invoking a sense of strong intent and purpose; people tend to establish things that they feel strongly about – like Foundations, Institutions and Monuments.But that isn’t quite the case here, because the word used here for established isn’t an active verb at all! Instead, it’s a passive participle (“tetagmenai”) being used here. And while the word is derived from a verb (“tasso”) that means “to arrange, or set things in order”, the way that it is used here is altered because of the grammar. Instead of asserting that God is ordaining his personal choices for leadership in every election, Romans 13:1 is suggesting that leaders are in their position because God simply allows them to be there. It’s not so much that God is demonstrating HIS preference when a leader ascends to power; sometimes it’s more about God allowing that which is in place to remain, by divine forbearance.This makes sense when you consider God’s painful lament given through the Prophet Hosea…“They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval.” (Hosea 8:4)This passage shows that that some leaders somehow get elected/appointed without God’s approval. But the fact is that God is sovereign; therefore, any leader in any position can only be there with God’s approval! In short, ALL leaders are established because God allows them to be – regardless as to whether they reflect God’s ideal preference.

You are trying too hard to make scripture back up your personal bias against Trump!

Trump is not representative of a godly leader in any way. He will say the right words then act differently. His many instances of fraud (Trump U, Trump Foundation, lies on tax forms, etc) do not reflect a godly man. The adultery in his life do not reflect God. The sexual assaut in his life do not reflect God. The tremendous amount of lying does not reflect God.

You do an excellent job of pointing out flaws in Trumps character but I do question your motives and scriptural authority to judge Trumps intents and motivations.?

God allowed Trump to the presidency, but Trump will bring the country down. Thousands are losing jobs, including manufacturing ones. Housing is in a recession per Bessent. Tariffs have just groups such as farmers. Trump's recent agreement with China for soy farmers is less than what soy farmers would have gotten had not Trump started the tariffs in the first place. For many reasons, public opinion of Trump is the worst of any president 1st or 2nd term.

Now you have jumped from the scriptural case you tried to build to one of extreme political bias. Your flaw in exegesis here is, because you can enumerate past transgressions of Trump you can ever so slyly place him in the used by God to punish a nation catagory. Can you list the sins of Noah, Abraham, Jacob , Moses, David, Jonah, Peter and Paul as proof of your theory about man’s sins and God’s ability to use and through God’s grace see a transformation in those flawed men. Now let’s get to what Trump actually does and what he stands for. I would venture to say in the past you have supported flawed imperfect men when they agreed with your political biases or would you try to convince me how righteous Biden or Obama were? These next few questions you can answer for yourself I expect nothing publicly on this forum but you are free to go for it if you wish. Does this administration currently support forcing trans ideology on children, abortion on demand, allowing the free flow of rapists, murderers, human traffickers, drug dealers, and pedophiles free entry into this country? Does this administration arrest elderly women for praying outside an abortion clinic, or surveil parents who speak out for truth at school board meetings? Tell us in your opinion was Biden allowed or chosen by God to advance or punish this nation? I have never once thought, implied or stated on this forum that Trump was a righteous saint of God but I am totally convinced by his actions and other reasons God is using him to clean up some of past transgressions of some of our past ungodly leaders. Multiple Christian leaders prophesied Trump would have two terms, but for the grace of God a bullet would have entered Trumps temple. Multiple attempts have been made to destroy Trump politically, legally, financially, and literally but he still stands and fights to better this country. Evil forces have come against Trump over and over but to date they have all failed. A blind man should be able to see the hand of God in this but that is not always the case. You couldn’t be more wrong in your claim that Trump will bring this country down!