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Trump Want To Force The End Of The Filibuster

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Ending the filibuster on judicial appointments resulted in a polarized court with rabid ideologues who gave a 34 times convicted felon a blank ticket get out of jail free card for four years.
The forgers of the Constitution are rolling in their graves.
 
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One year from now the GOP will lose at least one chamber of Congress.
time will tell. Not saying you are right or wrong just that we have no way of knowing until net November comes around.
 
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  • The government shutdown that began on October 1, 2025, has dragged on for over a month, with 13 failed Senate votes to pass temporary funding.
  • President Donald Trump has urged Senate Republicans to invoke the nuclear option to push through a funding bill without needing Democratic support.
  • Trump argued that Democrats would do the same if they had the majority, and that Republicans should “play their TRUMP CARD” to reopen the government.
  • Supporters say it’s necessary to end gridlock and restore government services, especially with SNAP benefits for 40 million Americans at risk.
  • Opponents, including some Republican senators, warn it would undermine Senate norms and make future bipartisan cooperation harder.
  • House Speaker Mike Johnson emphasized that the filibuster is a “very important safeguard” and that changing it could backfire if power shifts.
Thank you for the AI summary!
 
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Trump is going all in. The problem I see is that it will polarize the two parties even more. I mean if your budget or new law can't get a few votes from the other party, it likely is a bad direction for the country. If you have to shake up how you redistrict to gain representatives every election you also are out of bounds too. It means that some people will change districts every two years.

Usually both parties have some people of backbone that will vote against things based on their principles. That is why Trump can't pass his tariffs in Congress because some of the GOP will not go along. So in essence they just leave him alone and see what the courts say.

I think it seems obvious we are headed for a collision, or even a milti-car pileup. A few in the GOP are going to fall out of line and oppose Trump.
The Supreme Court is going to deny Trump some things too that he has been doing. The frustration of inflation ,the economy, and health care are going to boil over. There will be issues with some of Trump's appointments. I think things could be so bad that Trump could resign before this term is up.
 
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Ending the filibuster on judicial appointments resulted in a polarized court with rabid ideologues who gave a 34 times convicted felon a blank ticket get out of jail free card for four years.
The forgers of the Constitution are rolling in their graves.
Interesting typo.
 
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Ending the filibuster on judicial appointments

Which was, by the way, done by Democrats.

resulted in a polarized court with rabid ideologues

The justices who most get accused of being ideologues are Alito, Thomas, and Sotomayor. I think such accusations are generally unfair, but at any rate they're the ones who can most credibly be accused of that. The problem is that all of them were appointed before the Senate ended the filibuster on judicial appointments. So it doesn't make any sense to try to blame the ending of the filibuster on judicial appointments on "rabid ideologues" being on the Supreme Court.

who gave a 34 times convicted felon a blank ticket get out of jail free card for four years.

The major problems with the "34 times convicted felon" case have been articulated by others, such as here (edit: or here), here, here, and here; note none of those articles are written by people who are fans of Trump. While it is true that Trump did himself no favors in the caseby refraining from making legal defenses that could have helped him in the case but possibly hurt him politically (as emphasized in the last two links in particular), the issues persist.

As for the presidential immunity decision, it did not give a "blank ticket" as you claim. It is frustrating that, despite disagreeing with the decision (I at least wish Barrett's concurring opinion had been the majority instead, it solved a number of my issues with it), people's attacks on it are still so over the top I have to defend it.

Though in terms of error, I wouldn't say Trump v. United States was anywhere near as bad as a number of prior decisions that were all done before there was any ending of judicial filibusters.

The forgers of the Constitution are rolling in their graves.
I assume you meant "framers" here--a "forger" is either someone who either makes metal into an object OR someone who makes fraudulent copies of something. Obviously the Constitution is not a metal so that doesn't work. There may have been some people who tried to make copies and sell them as original copies (like those who make copies of famous paintings and might try to sell them as the original), though I doubt they'd care much at all about these issues.

In any event, the filibuster is not found in the US Constitution and was a development of the rules of the Senate, so the act of introducing the filibuster or getting rid of it really says nothing about the constitutional design.
 
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The new Republican Supreme Court justices lied through their teeth about honoring precedent.
Followed by giving a felon unbridled power and becoming nothing more than a shameful rubber stamp.
What could have been more damaging to checjz and balances? Even a saintly icon of virtue like Jimmy Carter couldn't be trusted with such power--but a felon?
 
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I will continue to call him the title he has earned, considering that he wiggled his way out of 60 more convictions.
And we can't forget his fraud and tax evasuon--half a billion
 
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Trump is going all in. The problem I see is that it will polarize the two parties even more. I mean if your budget or new law can't get a few votes from the other party, it likely is a bad direction for the country.
Or you are a democrat and the opposing party is the GOP, which votes no on anything no matter what to make you look bad.
 
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Or you are a democrat and the opposing party is the GOP, which votes no on anything no matter what to make you look bad.


I think ending it may work out in the end. Elsewhere I had the same argument regarding dems when they were in charge and being obstructed by Sinema and Manchin. I think there were progressive polices that dems opposed but they could always vote in favor of because they knew with Sinema and Manchin, it was not going to pass. Sinema and Manchin gave them cover to follow the party line.

The same with the GOP. They can vote with Trump 99% of the time because, due to the filibuster, none of it is going to pass. Once they actually have to govern, and deal with the consequences of their vote, and the fallout of having to explain their votes, then I think some of the ridiculousness will get reigned in. Or the American public gets the full impact of GOP policies without the benefit of dems able to mitigate the worst harm.

This video share the sentiment that has been building in some circles for a while now.

 
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The new Republican Supreme Court justices lied through their teeth about honoring precedent.

I assume this is supposed to be in response to my post--you have an strong tendency to post in response to things, but never to quote them, leaving it unclear as to what is being responded to. I also notice that, in doing so, you dodged a whole lot of the points I made.

In any event, please show where they "lied through their teeth" on this. Certainly, they talked about the importance of precedent, but none of them to my knowledge ever said that precedent could never be overturned or that they would never overturn it.

Incidentally, both Sotomayor and Kagan talked up precedent also, then proceeded to urge precedents be overturned. Do you think they were "lying through their teeth" too? Here's Sotomayor's statement from the confirmation hearing (page 31):

"All precedents of the Supreme Court I consider settled law, subject to the deference to doctrine of stare decisis would counsel."

This did not stop her from joining or writing majority opinions that overturned prior decisions, such as Ramos v. Louisiana to overturn Apodaca v. Oregon, Alleyne v. United States in to overturn Harris v. United States, Herrera v. Wyoming to overturn Ward v. Race Horse, or Pearson v. Callahan to overturn Saucier v. Katz. There also, no doubt, are various dissents she joined or wrote urging overturn of precedent--here I limited myself to cases where she was actively involved in doing so. So, do you think Sotomayor was lying through her teeth?

Kagan has also overturned prior precedent, even if not as frequently as Sotomayor, given that a number of those decisions I just listed off had her in the majority. This despite her statement that:

"That is binding precedent entitled to all the respect of binding precedent in any case. So that is settled law."

This was referring specifically to the Heller decision, but she's clearly talking about how there is respect of binding precedent in any case (after all, she says "any"). So, was Kagan lying through her teeth too?

I'm having a weirdly hard time finding a good transcript of Jackson's hearing to see what she said on precedent, but I don't think Jackson has yet joined any majority opinion overturning a prior one. She did write a concurring opinion in Rahimi saying she thought Bruen was wrongly decided and would've joined the dissent, but didn't explicitly say she wanted it overturned. There also might've been dissents she joined urging an overturn of something. Regardless, she hasn't been on the court long, so opportunities to overturn haven't really come yet.

Looking through statements the "new Republican justices" made at the confirmations on precedent (some are given here, though more specifically on an eye on Roe v. Wade), I see nothing any stronger than what we have just seen from Kagan and Sotomayor, who again were, after making those statements, perfectly willing to overturn prior precedent.

So it does not appear that any of the "new Republican justices" ever "lied through their teeth" on this--you certainly provided no evidence they did--and their statements on precedent appear no stronger than that of Sotomayor and Kagan, so it seems you would have to be accusing them of lying through their teeth as well.

Followed by giving a felon unbridled power and becoming nothing more than a shameful rubber stamp.

Which they didn't do. Also...

What could have been more damaging to checjz and balances? Even a saintly icon of virtue like Jimmy Carter couldn't be trusted with such power--but a felon?

There are multiple problems with this pronouncement. First, unless a law actually says "if you are a felon you cannot do this", then there is nothing legally wrong with a felon doing it. So waxing philsophically about whether a felon "should" have a particular power is irrelevant if they actually do have it. If the President has a particular power or privilege, then that applies whether they're a felon or not.

Second, Trump was not even President or even President-elect at the time of the decision. For all anyone knew at the time of the decision, Biden was going to win re-election.

I will continue to call him the title he has earned, considering that he wiggled his way out of 60 more convictions.
And we can't forget his fraud and tax evasuon--half a billion

And if the felony conviction is overturned on appeal?
 
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I assume this is supposed to be in response to my post--you have an strong tendency to post in response to things, but never to quote them, leaving it unclear as to what is being responded to. I also notice that, in doing so, you dodged a whole lot of the points I made.

In any event, please show where they "lied through their teeth" on this. Certainly, they talked about the importance of precedent, but none of them to my knowledge ever said that precedent could never be overturned or that they would never overturn it.

Incidentally, both Sotomayor and Kagan talked up precedent also, then proceeded to urge precedents be overturned. Do you think they were "lying through their teeth" too? Here's Sotomayor's statement from the confirmation hearing (page 31):

"All precedents of the Supreme Court I consider settled law, subject to the deference to doctrine of stare decisis would counsel."

This did not stop her from joining or writing majority opinions that overturned prior decisions, such as Ramos v. Louisiana to overturn Apodaca v. Oregon, Alleyne v. United States in to overturn Harris v. United States, Herrera v. Wyoming to overturn Ward v. Race Horse, or Pearson v. Callahan to overturn Saucier v. Katz. There also, no doubt, are various dissents she joined or wrote urging overturn of precedent--here I limited myself to cases where she was actively involved in doing so. So, do you think Sotomayor was lying through her teeth?

Kagan has also overturned prior precedent, even if not as frequently as Sotomayor, given that a number of those decisions I just listed off had her in the majority. This despite her statement that:

"That is binding precedent entitled to all the respect of binding precedent in any case. So that is settled law."

This was referring specifically to the Heller decision, but she's clearly talking about how there is respect of binding precedent in any case (after all, she says "any"). So, was Kagan lying through her teeth too?

I'm having a weirdly hard time finding a good transcript of Jackson's hearing to see what she said on precedent, but I don't think Jackson has yet joined any majority opinion overturning a prior one. She did write a concurring opinion in Rahimi saying she thought Bruen was wrongly decided and would've joined the dissent, but didn't explicitly say she wanted it overturned. There also might've been dissents she joined urging an overturn of something. Regardless, she hasn't been on the court long, so opportunities to overturn haven't really come yet.

Looking through statements the "new Republican justices" made at the confirmations on precedent (some are given here, though more specifically on an eye on Roe v. Wade), I see nothing any stronger than what we have just seen from Kagan and Sotomayor, who again were, after making those statements, perfectly willing to overturn prior precedent.

So it does not appear that any of the "new Republican justices" ever "lied through their teeth" on this--you certainly provided no evidence they did--and their statements on precedent appear no stronger than that of Sotomayor and Kagan, so it seems you would have to be accusing them of lying through their teeth as well.



Which they didn't do. Also...



There are multiple problems with this pronouncement. First, unless a law actually says "if you are a felon you cannot do this", then there is nothing legally wrong with a felon doing it. So waxing philsophically about whether a felon "should" have a particular power is irrelevant if they actually do have it. If the President has a particular power or privilege, then that applies whether they're a felon or not.

Second, Trump was not even President or even President-elect at the time of the decision. For all anyone knew at the time of the decision, Biden was going to win re-election.



And if the felony conviction is overturned on appeal?
Like about 50% of the population, I think the 34 convictions are the tip of the iceberg and that he has earned several life sentences he evaded with $100 million lawyers and corrupt judges like Cannon whom he appointed.
Nothing you say or Federalist Society Propaganda you've promoted will change our mind because we can put two and two together. Mothers of three are pretty good judges of character and know when things are being concealed.
 
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