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[Apple Sky]

The sky is not molten rock.
How can a liquid sky be strong?

The verse from Job also suggests that "firmament" and "sky" are different things.
But I said this to you some time ago, and you told me I was wrong. Rockets cannot go very far into the sky, you said, in case they hit the firmament.

Rob Skiba
This is the first of two lectures I gave at the "Declaring the End From the Beginning" conference which was held in Beaumont, TX on July 22 and 23, 2017. In it, I make the indisputable case that the Bible absolutely describes a circular, still, flat Earth, set on pillars, under a dome, within which the sun, moon and stars (no planets) were placed on Day 4 of Creation. Thus, the Creation narrative is in no way compatible with the standard cosmological worldview... and should never be forced to be so.

How the Bible absolutely describes an enclosed world cosmology​

 

[Strong in Him]

Rob Skiba
This is the first of two lectures I gave at the "Declaring the End From the Beginning" conference which was held in Beaumont, TX on July 22 and 23, 2017. In it, I make the indisputable case that the Bible absolutely describes a circular, still, flat Earth, set on pillars, under a dome, within which the sun, moon and stars (no planets) were placed on Day 4 of Creation.

I don't care what Rob Skiba said; answer the question.

David said that he had searched every mention of the firmament in Scripture and not one mentioned that it was solid, or a dome.
In response, you quoted a verse from Job which said that the sky is strong like molten glass - although molten glass would be liquid.
So, are the firmament and the sky the same thing, or different?
Is the firmament solid and the sky liquid? If so, how can the sky be strong?

And Rob didn't make an indisputable case because a flat, totally still earth denies all observable, measurable facts.

 

[Apple Sky]

So, are the firmament and the sky the same thing, or different?

Different ....................

Is the firmament solid

Yes

And Rob didn't make an indisputable case because a flat, totally still earth denies all observable, measurable facts.

What measurable facts ?

 

[Strong in Him]

Different ....................

So why, when David said he'd been checking verses on the firmament did you post one from Job which spoke of the sky?

What measurable facts ?

All those facts which you've been told over and over again on various threads. And which you've either ignored or claimed were fake because you didn't understand them.

 

[Apple Sky]

So why, when David said he'd been checking verses on the firmament did you post one from Job which spoke of the sky?

David can check all he likes but there's no denying that the firmament is solid.

 

[Strong in Him]

David can check all he likes but there's no denying that the firmament is solid.

You're missing the point, I suspect deliberately.

Where does the bible say that the firmament is a solid dome? ........................................................................................ I have looked up all the reference in the bible to "firmament" and not one mentions that it is either solid, or a dome.

Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Your post was in answer to his.
His spoke of the firmament, you answered him by quoting a post about the sky. Which you say are different things.

Or, to put it another way, you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Apple Sky]

Or, to put it another way, you don't know what you are talking about.

So in your view Genesis 1: 6 & 7 must be wrong ?

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

What else could hold the water above the firmament ?

 

[prodromos]

You're missing the point, I suspect deliberately

Unsurprisingly, seeing as the truth is not in her.

 

[prodromos]

What else could hold the water above the firmament ?

You've never seen clouds?

 

[prodromos]

David can check all he likes but there's no denying that the firmament is solid.

There absolutely is. You claim the sun, moon and stars are in the fimament, which you claim is solid, and yet the sun and moon can move in it. Your own claims contradict each other. The truth is not in you.

 

[Apple Sky]

You've never seen clouds?

This is not what God meant.

 

[Apple Sky]

You claim the sun, moon and stars are in the fimament, which you claim is solid, and yet the sun and moon can move in it.

Of course the sun & the moon move in the firmament & all the stars, if you say other wise, then I'm sorry to say, that the truth is not in you.

 

[Apple Sky]

Unsurprisingly, seeing as the truth is not in her.

Is this all's you can parrot

 

[prodromos]

Of course the sun & the moon move in the firmament & all the stars

If it is solid as you claim, then the above statement is complete nonsense.

if you say other wise, then I'm sorry to say, that the truth is not in you.

I can give many examples of objects set in solids that cannot move. Perhaps you are able to provide counter examples?

 

[prodromos]

This is not what God meant.

How can you make such a claim?
Were you pondering the possibility and then the heavens opened and a voice of authority spoke to you saying, "That's not what I meant!"?

 

[Apple Sky]

How can you make such a claim?
Were you pondering the possibility and then the heavens opened and a voice of authority spoke to you saying, "That's not what I meant!"?

When God said there is water over the firmament, I believe him.

 

[Apple Sky]

I can give many examples of objects set in solids that cannot move. Perhaps you are able to provide counter examples?

But the moon, sun & the stars are not set solid in the firmament, they move freely around in it.

 

[prodromos]

When God said there is water over the firmament, I believe him.

You don't understand what the Scriptures mean by "firmament".

 

[prodromos]

But the moon, sun & the stars are not set solid in the firmament, they move freely around in it.

Therefore the firmament cannot be solid, if there are things that can move around in it.
Your whole argument defeats itself.

 

[David Lamb]

David can check all he likes but there's no denying that the firmament is solid.

So where is there any biblical reference to the firmament being solid? I have already pointed out that Job 37:18, which you quoted before as saying the firmament is solid doesn't even mention the firmament. The word in our English translations is sky or skies, and it translates the Hebrew word shachaq, not the Hebrew word raqiya, which is the word used for "firmament".