The government shutdown and keeping the government open, or re-opening it, etc. My prediction now.

[Neogaia777]

Im an Independent, first of all, and try to give a 100% neutral, obejective opinion always about these things, and am going to try to give you my prediction right now about this specific subject/thing, etc.

The government shutdown and keeping the government open, or re-opening it, etc. My prediction now.

While it might have been to the Democrats advantage at first politically to not cooperate with the Republicans to keep the government open, I now predict that is now going to change, and very, very soon here, or really, really soon actually, it's no longer going to be their political advantage anymore, and they are actually going to start to lose points now politically, and are going to start to get blamed.

And that's it, or is all I have to say right now really, etc. And so it will now be to their political advantage now to start cooperating with Republicans on re-opening the government now, or keeping the government open now actually, etc.

Guess we'll have to see if my prediction holds true or not actually, etc.

Opinions change when actual Americans start feeling it actually, etc.

God Bless.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Im an Independent, first of all, and try to give a 100% neutral, obejective opinion always about these things, and am going to try to give you my prediction right now about this specific subject/thing, etc.

The government shutdown and keeping the government open, or re-opening it, etc. My prediction now.

While it might have been to the Democrats advantage at first politically to not cooperate with the Republicans to keep the government open, I now predict that is now going to change, and very, very soon here, or really, really soon actually, it's no longer going to be their political advantage anymore, and they are actually going to start to lose points now politically, and are going to start to get blamed.

And that's it, or is all I have to say right now really, etc. And so it will now be to their political advantage now to start cooperating with Republicans on re-opening the government now, or keeping the government open now actually, etc.

Guess we'll have to see if my prediction holds true or not actually, etc.

Opinions change when actual Americans start feeling it actually, etc.

God Bless.

I suspect the Democrats will continue for a while with blaming the Republicans but then just barely enough of them will be given permission to vote for a clean resolution to reopen the government until maybe January. Then we get to do it all over again.

I too am neither Democrat or Republican. And in my opinion all these guys on both sides should be voted out in the next election. But that won’t happen because people like the government they have now.

 

[Neogaia777]

Im an Independent, first of all, and try to give a 100% neutral, obejective opinion always about these things, and am going to try to give you my prediction right now about this specific subject/thing, etc.

The government shutdown and keeping the government open, or re-opening it, etc. My prediction now.

While it might have been to the Democrats advantage at first politically to not cooperate with the Republicans to keep the government open, I now predict that is now going to change, and very, very soon here, or really, really soon actually, it's no longer going to be their political advantage anymore, and they are actually going to start to lose points now politically, and are going to start to get blamed.

And that's it, or is all I have to say right now really, etc. And so it will now be to their political advantage now to start cooperating with Republicans on re-opening the government now, or keeping the government open now actually, etc.

Guess we'll have to see if my prediction holds true or not actually, etc.

Opinions change when actual Americans start feeling it actually, etc.

God Bless.

Democrats can issue whatever public statements they like, like about the only reason they were resisting at first, and wanted more funding, was because of people's health insurance, and health insurance premiums, and whatnot, which is still going to be a major problem for the American people if they cooperate with Republicans, but at least it will keep everything else funded/going at minimal levels in the meantime. Because it's not at the levels we Democrats would like, but something is still at least better than nothing. We would have continued to resist, as that would still be our preference, because we feel like we would be doing that for the American people, but it's also going to hurt way too many Americans also if we don't cooperate with Republicans right now to re-open the government, or to keep the government at least somewhat open right now, even if it's not at the levels we would like, etc. And even though people's health insurance coverage, and their premiums, is still going to be majorly affected due to lack of government funding, etc.

God Bless.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Democrats can issue whatever public statements they like, like about the only reason they were resisting at first, and wanted more funding, was because of people's health insurance, and health insurance premiums, and whatnot, which is still going to be a major problem for the American people if they cooperate with Republicans, but at least it will keep everything else funded/going at minimal levels in the meantime. Because it's not at the levels we Democrats would like, but something is still at least better than nothing. We would have continued to resist, as that would still be our preference, because we feel like we would be doing that for the American people, but it's also going to hurt way too many Americans also if we don't cooperate with Republicans right now to re-open the government, or to keep the government at least somewhat open right now, even if it's not at the levels we would like, etc. And even though people's health insurance coverage, and their premiums, is still going to be majorly affected due to lack of government funding, etc.

God Bless.

The shutdown could have been avoided with a clean continuing resolution to keep the government funded at exactly current levels, no cuts and no new spending. Congress could have then addressed all the rest without brinksmanship. But it was not to be.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I am wondering assuming the government stays closed for that long whether the democrats will be more likely to open it in January as what they claim to be fighting for would have expired anyway.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I am wondering assuming the government stays closed for that long whether the democrats will be more likely to open it in January as what they claim to be fighting for would have expired anyway.

Never waste a crisis. Blame the other guys. Complain about kings.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The shutdown could have been avoided with a clean continuing resolution to keep the government funded at exactly current levels, no cuts and no new spending. Congress could have then addressed all the rest without brinksmanship. But it was not to be.

That requires people to trust that Congress actually would address "all the rest." That trust has been lost over the past couple decades, and the current Republican Party has done nothing to earn it back.

 

[bèlla]

Remember what he said…

President Trump of course said yesterday that he has the power to do things that are irreversible including not just cutting jobs but programs.

 

[eleos1954]

Im an Independent, first of all, and try to give a 100% neutral, obejective opinion always about these things, and am going to try to give you my prediction right now about this specific subject/thing, etc.

The government shutdown and keeping the government open, or re-opening it, etc. My prediction now.

While it might have been to the Democrats advantage at first politically to not cooperate with the Republicans to keep the government open, I now predict that is now going to change, and very, very soon here, or really, really soon actually, it's no longer going to be their political advantage anymore, and they are actually going to start to lose points now politically, and are going to start to get blamed.

And that's it, or is all I have to say right now really, etc. And so it will now be to their political advantage now to start cooperating with Republicans on re-opening the government now, or keeping the government open now actually, etc.

Guess we'll have to see if my prediction holds true or not actually, etc.

Opinions change when actual Americans start feeling it actually, etc.

God Bless.

Hard to say .... but if the democrats hold to not passing the CR there is going to be a lot of stealing going on .... i predict ordering online and curbside pickup is going to become very popular .... possibly even the closure of some stores .... it will be very ugly. I'm stocking up on a lot of things just in case so I don't have to go out.

Many people do see that the simple solution is for democrats to vote for the CR

 

[chevyontheriver]

That requires people to trust that Congress actually would address "all the rest." That trust has been lost over the past couple decades, and the current Republican Party has done nothing to earn it back.

So the Democrats filibuster and shut down the government and how does that address anything? They grab their marbles and go home and nothing gets solved and big chunks of the government have shut their doors, sometimes hurting needy people. I'm not really trusting them not to play absolute politics on everything. Throw them out. All of them. Throw out the Republicans too. But don't pretend this is a Republican problem. The Democrats own this shutdown. They are untrustworthy.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

So the Democrats filibuster and shut down the government and how does that address anything? They grab their marbles and go home and nothing gets solved and big chunks of the government have shut their doors, sometimes hurting needy people. I'm not really trusting them not to play absolute politics on everything. Throw them out. All of them. Throw out the Republicans too. But don't pretend this is a Republican problem. The Democrats own this shutdown. They are untrustworthy.

I only mentioned Republicans because they're the ones asking for trust in the current situation. They say "Pass the CR, and [trust us] we'll work on ACA subsidies."

Democrats say "Pass the CR with the ACA subsidies included." Even if you don't trust them, they're not asking you to.

 

[Neogaia777]

If the Democrats really, truly care about the midterms, then they need to vote to open back up the government now, and not let their hatred/disdain for the Republicans or Donald Trump get in the way of their decision making on this right now currently, because it's going to start backfiring on them now soon politically.

So, if they want to try and maintain or keep the upper hand/advantage politically, keeping in mind the upcoming midterms maybe, then they need to now give into the Republicans right now about the government shutdown politically, because it's at a tipping point now politically, and trying to keep it/this up, will not only hurt a lot of Americans, but won't be to their political advantage anymore now politically.

IOW's, continued posturing right now is only going to hurt them politically. But I very, very much encourage them (the Democrats) to come out with some public statements about this though when they do politically, etc. And why they would have preferred to continue resisting and whatnot politically, and some statements as to why they gave in or felt they had to give in ultimately, and what the consequences will be for the American people for their giving in ultimately, etc.

And that the Republicans are the ones putting this strain on the American people, and are forcing the Democrats to give in ultimately, because it is always the Democrats that seem to care a lot more about the suffering of most American people than the Republicans ever do both classically and generally, and who are always seen as much more "weak" because of this politically, etc. And that you are thinking that if the positions were reversed, that it wouldn't hurt any of the Republicans one bit at all to just continue to dig in their heels about this, even though it would mean a lot more suffering, etc.

Or those would be some of my statements that are "something to that effect" that I think the Democrats should make/state publicly before giving into the Republicans on this maybe, etc.

And we're sick and tired of being seen as "weak" because of this really, and that it's not a weakness to care about human suffering, or to want to ease the suffering and hardships of the American people generally, which was why we wanted to insist on the increased spending, and, again, what the consequences will be both for us and for the rest of the American people for our giving into this ultimately, etc. And that it gives the perception that "the Dems will always cave ultimately", which is not at all what we are trying to project here ultimately.

Or "something to that effect" maybe.

God Bless.

 

[chevyontheriver]

If the Democrats really, truly care about the midterms, then they need to vote to open back up the government now, and not let their hatred/disdain for the Republicans or Donald Trump get in the way of their decision making on this right now currently, because it's going to start backfiring on them now soon politically.

So, if they want to try and maintain or keep the upper hand/advantage politically, keeping in mind the upcoming midterms maybe, then they need to now give into the Republicans right now about the government shutdown politically, because it's at a tipping point now politically, and trying to keep it/this up, will not only hurt a lot of Americans, but won't be to their political advantage anymore now politically.

IOW's, continued posturing right now is only going to hurt them politically. But I very, very much encourage them (the Democrats) to come out with some public statements about this though when they do politically, etc. And why they would have preferred to continue resisting and whatnot politically, and some statements as to why they gave in or felt they had to give in ultimately, and what the consequences will be for the American people for their giving in ultimately, etc.

And that the Republicans are the ones putting this strain on the American people, and are forcing the Democrats to give in ultimately, because it is always the Democrats that seem to care a lot more about the suffering of most American people than the Republicans ever do both classically and generally, and who are always seen as much more "weak" because of this politically, etc. And that you are thinking that if the positions were reversed, that it wouldn't hurt any of the Republicans one bit at all to just continue to dig in their heels about this, even though it would mean a lot more suffering, etc.

Or those would be some of my statements that are "something to that effect" that I think the Democrats should make/state publicly before giving into the Republicans on this maybe, etc.

And we're sick and tired of being seen as "weak" because of this really, and that it's not a weakness to care about human suffering, or to want to ease the suffering and hardships of the American people generally, which was why we wanted to insist on the increased spending, and, again, what the consequences will be both for us and for the rest of the American people for our giving into this ultimately, etc. And that it gives the perception that "the Dems will always cave ultimately", which is not at all what we are trying to project here ultimately.

Or "something to that effect" maybe.

God Bless.

There is a great civil war among the Democrats for the soul of their party. The side winning at the moment is the side that will ‘Occupy Washington’ and will see the Mandami election in NYC as but a first step in taking many big cities from the old fashioned Democrats. Those old fashioned Democrats are mostly in retreat, some trying to hide in plain sight by looking more radical. The old coalition of labor and little guys, the bulk of the pre-McGovern Democrats has faltered and really no longer exists. The new guys want revolution, and a general strike leading to national collapse would be more to their liking than a clean continuing resolution.

Can o few Democrats in the Senate be found to resist? Maybe. But they know they would face a heavy political price for voting for a clean continuing resolution. A heavy political price from the dominant radical wing of their own party.

As the shutdown continues more funding will run out and more pain will be felt. And I think that is EXACTLY the plan. More pain with the hopes of revolution eventually breaking out. They are going for victory. No compromise with the folks they call Nazis.

Maybe the government will be shut down until the midterm elections a year from now.

 

[Neogaia777]

There is a great civil war among the Democrats for the soul of their party. The side winning at the moment is the side that will ‘Occupy Washington’ and will see the Mandami election in NYC as but a first step in taking many big cities from the old fashioned Democrats. Those old fashioned Democrats are mostly in retreat, some trying to hide in plain sight by looking more radical. The old coalition of labor and little guys, the bulk of the pre-McGovern Democrats has faltered and really no longer exists. The new guys want revolution, and a general strike leading to national collapse would be more to their liking than a clean continuing resolution.

Can o few Democrats in the Senate be found to resist? Maybe. But they know they would face a heavy political price for voting for a clean continuing resolution. A heavy political price from the dominant radical wing of their own party.

As the shutdown continues more funding will run out and more pain will be felt. And I think that is EXACTLY the plan. More pain with the hopes of revolution eventually breaking out. They are going for victory. No compromise with the folks they call Nazis.

Maybe the government will be shut down until the midterm elections a year from now.

Well, then I guess neither side cares about votes then, which is going to hurt/cost everyone in this country very much greatly, because none of those voices that they are listening to right now are in the majority, but are just only some of the loudest among only some of the minorities, etc, which is going to cost/hurt everyone in this country very, very much greatly.

Or why does it seem to me that everyone seems to be all just hell bent on destroying this country? Because if that is the case, then I can 100% guarantee you that they have all lost touch/sight of the majority, and maybe that's what's wrong with their parties, etc.

God Bless.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Well, then I guess neither side cares about votes then, which is going to hurt/cost everyone in this country very much greatly, because none of those voices that they are listening to right now are in the majority, but are just only some of the loudest among only some of the minorities, etc, which is going to cost/hurt everyone in this country very, very much greatly.

Or why does it seem to me that everyone seems to be all just hell bent on destroying this country? Because if that is the case, then I can 100% guarantee you that they have all lost touch/sight of the majority, and maybe that's what's wrong with their parties, etc.

God Bless.

They are willing to inflict pain to advance their agendas. The constituents need to vote them out. Will it happen?

 

[Neogaia777]

They are willing to inflict pain to advance their agendas. The constituents need to vote them out. Will it happen?

Probably not so long as the people continue to remain to be deceived that there are only ever just only two options for any one of their two choices supposedly, most especially in something like a presidential election probably.

And probably not as long as neither one of those two choices are not ever representing the majority ever really, but are always seen as their only two options really, etc.

God Bless.