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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

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Add Psalm 111 to those supporting that the 10 Commandments should still be honoured-Sorry if Psalm 111 has been added already but the thread is quite long.

But look here- (Hebrews 10:25). "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

Jesus would attend the synagogue on the Sabbath to worship his Father as was custom (Luke 4:16-21). The perfect example.

“All his commandments. They stand for ever and ever; they are done in truth and equity”. (Psalm 111)
 
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Add Psalm 111 to those supporting that the 10 Commandments should still be honoured-Sorry if Psalm 111 has been added already but the thread is quite long.

But look here- (Hebrews 10:25). "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

Jesus would attend the synagogue on the Sabbath to worship his Father as was custom (Luke 4:16-21). The perfect example.

“All his commandments. They stand for ever and ever; they are done in true and equity, they are done in truth and equity”. (Psalm 111)
Amen! And the Sabbath continues in this same assembly in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:23 just as it was on earth for the apostles decades after the Cross following in the example set forth by Jesus. Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44, Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc commanded by God Lev 23:3. Thankfully God still has a remnant that follows this same pattern set forth by Jesus Himself from one Sabbath to another now. All is invited every Sabbath. :heartpulse:
 
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It's tied to the modern concept of judicial branch of a government. The entity is responsible for interpretation of laws (which are made by a legislative branch). Jesus was accused of not obseving the Sabbath. However Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath, it means Jesus owns the right of interpreting what Sabbath could mean. It doesn't supersede the works of salvation such as preaching the gospel.

God also knows beforehand that among the billions of Christians in history, the mass amount of them don't observe Sabbath to its full. In the New Covenant it's not part of any criteria of salvation. It doesn't determine whether one is saved or not. It's thus no longer part of the New Covenant, or else it may be an even more controversial topic and making more noise and distraction from what truly concern our salvation.
 
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God also knows beforehand that among the billions of Christians in history, the mass amount of them don't observe Sabbath to its full.
Why He used the word "Remember" on the 4th commandment, because He knew most would forget and start doing something different on a day that is not a commandment of God, not a day God sanctified, but its for works Exo 20:9 and not the Holy Day of the Lord thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13 and not the day that continues on in God's perfect plan Isa 66:23 just like at Creation Exo 20:11, before man listened to another voice instead of God's. Sadly not a lot has changed.

Lets not forget the majority in the Scriptures has never been faithful to God. God never changed His moral values Exo 20:1-17 Psa 119:172 Psa 119:151 Isa 56:1-2 to suit man, and He is not going to again. Mat 7:21-23 Mat 7:13-14. Jesus said His Second Coming will be like the days of Noah. Sadly the majority were not faithful, but a small remnant was. Why He is calling us out of rebellion, which is sin (breaking God's law) and unbelief if we hear His voice Heb 3:7-9 Rev 18:4 before its too late Rev 22:11
 
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Hi everyone, I posted earlier in this forum about what I read on Got Questions here Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today? which used two scripture to say to that the Sabbath was no longer required in the New Testatment. I have written to them again asking them to amend this and showed the below to read. I hope that they change it.

Jesus also asks Christians to take the Sacraments in his memory (Matthew 26: 26-29) and we usually do this at church.

The Bible also states that we should not give up gathering together to worship as members of the Body of Christ (Hebrews 10:25). "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Christians are strengthened by praying together and for the world and they can also strengthened by the Sabbath/Sunday rest.

Jesus himself would worship his father on the Sabbath as well as standard please see scripture evidence for it- (Luke 4:16-21). Jesus also said His house is a house of prayer for all nations (Mark 11:17). Then He taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ Jesus is referencing (Isa 56:1) here.

There is a physical church, whether it is online in a house church or in person in a building and there is a community of believers who are actually members of the church and members of the Body of Christ and both of these are important.

Some people to misunderstand this scripture (Matthew 18:20)-" Where two of us are gathered together...I will be in the midst of them."This scripture is about reconcilation within church members.

Jesus also said that-think not that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I have not come to destroy, but to fulfil (Matthew 5:17). Jesus was about the spirit of the law to. Jesus said he is the Lord of the Sabbath and has taken authority of it for Christians, meaning that he is not bound by the restrictive legalistic restrictions of the previous law (Matthew 12:8) (Mark 2:28) Jesus has brought us the spirit of the law-let me explain his further.

I asked my rector this question and they said that in Christianity Jesus was about healing and miracles. Today our expectation should be that anything that helps us to heal is ok to do on the day of rest. Jesus also doesn't stress how many times we need to take the Sacraments in his memory, and if you are not able to take it regularly at church or (or given to at your place of rest) and are not well enough then that is ok and you could watch church online if wanted to.

Taking part in a life saving or health and safety activity too as agreed by Jewish experts today is also ok to take part on the Holy day for Christians. This question to I spoke to a Rabbi also and this is spiritual guided law today which was also in unity with a church minister. When the Bible was written a lot of conditions had not yet come to light that may also make it difficult to rest today. What I do now is do my best and aim to follow the rule, but if I cannot I try and not beat myself up for it as Jesus knows that I am doing the best that I can and to focus on health and recovery if unwell and continue to pray if well enough for that time period and I do ok because of God's grace.

To make this simply understood-
If you have no food to eat and must get food for your health-this is ok to do on the Sabbath.
A person who suffers from depression and finds gardening helpful, yes as well.
Your in a crisis mentally and need time out for therapy for autism, yes as well.

It is about the spirit of the law, and not the letter of the law.

You can be a Christian and not attend church, but that doesn't mean that church going is not desirable and promoted in the Bible. I never went to church for some years in my life due to being unwell and was still a Christian with a personal relationship with my faith but I still knew that church going was promoted in the Bible. I do go church today and have found the ideal church for me now I am able to attend and it is just three minutes from me in my local area and perfect in all my needs. You should always feel welcome to go to church, no matter how long you have been away from it, as we are a family in Christ.

The following scriptures are used inaccurately by some people to support no longer having the need to attend church and say that we are under Jesus new law and the Sabbath is no longer required because we are covered by him-

(Colossians 2:16) “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days” This scriptures does not support us breaking the Sabbath rule-but it encourages us not to be put off by those who may ridicule you or try and put you of from upholding it. (Colossians 2:16) is at essence about us avoiding to judge another. This is to supported by ordained ministers who I asked to validate this.

(Hebrews 4:1) “Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it”. This scripture is also used to support not upholding the Sabbath. This scripture does not ask us to stop upholding the Sabbath, but it questions us and guides to enter into a deeper spiritual relationship with Jesus rather than just worshipping and not developing your spiritual life. Developing spiritually through the Holy Spirit helps you to develop your spiritual journey with Christ.

There is also mention of the 10 Commandments in the Book of Revelations-(Revelations 22:14). "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city." God in the Ten Commandments asks us to worship on the Sabbath day which is still expected and desirable. “All his commandments. They stand for ever and ever; they are done in truth and equity” as. (Psalm 111) tells us.

The Sabbath continues in this same assembly in the New Heaven and New Earth (Isa 66:23) (Mal3:6 Heb 13:8) just as it was on earth for the apostles decades after the Cross following in the example set forth by Jesus. (Acts 13:42), (Acts 13:44), (Acts 15:21) (Acts 18:4) (during this time the early church was undergoing change and this from a church minister- " (Acts 15 this part is what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspective."

The Sabbath continues in this same assembly in the New Heaven and New Earth (Isa 66:23) (Mal3:6 Heb 13:8) just as it was on earth for the apostles decades after the Cross following in the example set forth by Jesus. (Acts 13:42), (Acts 13:44), (Acts 15:21) (Acts 18:4) (during this time the early church was undergoing change and this from a church minister- " (Acts 15 this part is what happened as the church developed and people worked out what it means to follow Jesus Christ from a variety of different prior perspective." Act 15 also discusses what we should not do as Christians (or new believers) and not what is promoted to do and it does not involve all spiritual law and guidance for Christians. I think here reminds us a bit that all things are permissible but not expedient to God for new believers (1 Corinthians 6:12 and 10:23). The early church to went from taking place in small private gatherings where they went out to distribute the Eucharist taking place in more established church's today with online services to follow later. The early church to went from taking place in small private gatherings where they went out to distribute the Eucharist taking place in more established church's today with online services to follow later.

Baptism and other ceremonies to like Confirmation and being Christened happen through the church today whether outside or inside. The Bible closely links Baptism to the giving of the Holy Spirit (Luke 3:16) and Jesus told us to be born of water and spirit-Jesus stated that, "Truly, truly, I tell you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5) (Acts 16 31-34).

So worshipping via a church on Sunday is promoted in the Bible and having a Temple of the Holy Ghost which has been given to them by God's Holy Spirit through faith (1 Corinthians 6) does not mean that church going is not promoted.

Also, the Holy Spirit is present at Church’s if people worship appropriately and has given people miraculous healings and miracles. I have felt the Holy Ghost present at church when they gave me healing in church. The Holy Spirit is the 3rd attribute of God and so God is still present in Church and The gifts of the Holy Spirit are for believers and used to serve the church as well, like with laying on hands, people can receive healing as well. I felt like I had to post though to clear this thing this being misused on social media to try and justify not attending church. Peace to you all.

I would also suggest for the more spiritual personal reasons that you read this article to why Church going is desirable. This document is used internally in many church's to guide people on church going.

www.gospelimprint.com/GI-documents/Leaflets/07-03.15-Back%20to%20Church.pdf
 
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No the ten commandments do not apply, no you don't need to go to church, no you can't insist people who have not had baptism don't have the Holy Ghost.

If anyone, sabbathblessings or whoever nickname has something to question, I can of course give all details, just it was not necessary for answering yet.
 
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No the ten commandments do not apply, no you don't need to go to church, no you can't insist people who have not had baptism don't have the Holy Ghost.

If anyone, sabbathblessings or whoever nickname has something to question, I can of course give all details, just it was not necessary for answering yet.
Well, you need the Holy Spirit to develop a deepened spiritual life and walk as a Christian which Jesus asks. Most people do seem to get the Holy Spirit through baptism and being born again/and because of faith. Jesus said you need to be born of water and the Holy Spirit. It is his words. In the early Christian church they used to be able to go around, but in most countries today most get baptism of the Holy Spirit from some church organistion whether inside or outside. It was done for me that way to. I know some people may be outside of this, but the norm is to have got this through stepping through a church organisation whether it is done outside or inside.

The scripture to support church going in the Bible has been supported by ministers who own church's. This was in regards two critical scriptures the Colossians and Actts 15. The New Testatment supports church going and promotes it.

I would like to see what scipture you can show us here to say the New Testatment does not promote church going and are you a Christian. Some posters on this thread have said they were not Christian so I do ask.
 
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Well, you need the Holy Spirit to develop a deepened spiritual life and walk as a Christian which Jesus asks. Most people do seem to get the Holy Spirit through baptism and being born again/and because of faith. Jesus said you need to be born of water and the Holy Spirit. It is his words.

The scripture to support church going in the Bible has been supported by ministers who own church's. This was in regards two critical scriptures the Colossians and Actts 15. The New Testatment supports church going and promotes it.

I would like to see what scipture you can show us here to say the New Testatment does not promote church going and are you a Christian. Some posters on this thread have said they were not Christian so I do ask.
This particular forum is for Christians only so if you found posts from non Christians then please report them.
 
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@Abraham1st I went through some past posts and see that they do appear to be a Christian. If you have the time I would like you to show me some Bible scripture which does not support church going. Note if you read my two posts again above I didn't say that you need to attend church all the time, but that it is just promoted. I did write that people can be unwell and have grace or have life saving jobs/health and safety activities that may make this difficult. I also said that they can watch church online. They may not also due to other things but church going is still promoted. You can be a christian and not attend church, but that doesn't mean that church going is not desirable and promoted in the Bible.
I never went to church for many years in my life due to being unwell and was still a Christian with a personal relationship with my faith but I still knew that church going was promoted in the Bible and seen as the best thing to do. A truth is a truth and lived experience and personal thoughts are different. What you said to me doesn't seem scriptural. I am a spirtual person to and not just about the letter of the law.

Also, thanks for your thoughts on baptism-it was not pleasing to read for me what is being written online that we have our own temples and no need to go to church. That God isn't in church and we have no need for anything more-well, that is a misreading of Paul as it is not like that. I have taken the bit out about baptism till I look into it further...I know of someone who has been baptised in a field alone they say. I believe what they say. The word baptised and born of spirit can be interchangable to me and these religious ordannces though seem today to happen through a church inside or outside. This is in the west of course...I have that taken out though as it seemed to be merging two ideas into one and just discussing church going now.
Lets work with the Bible and the spirit of it to and no false made teachings just to suit or own lifes. Read my post again perhaps and reply which is the 1st post of mine in this page.
 
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@Abraham1st I went through some past posts and see that they do appear to be a Christian. If you have the time I would like you to show me some Bible scripture which does not support church going. Note if you read my two posts again above I didn't say that you need to attend church all the time, but that it is just promoted. I did write that people can be unwell and have grace or have life saving jobs/health and safety activities that may make this difficult. I also said that they can watch church online. They may not also due to other things but church going is still promoted. You can be a christian and not attend church, but that doesn't mean that church going is not desirable and promoted in the Bible.
I never went to church for many years in my life due to being unwell and was still a Christian with a personal relationship with my faith but I still knew that church going was promoted in the Bible and seen as the best thing to do. A truth is a truth and lived experience and personal thoughts are different. What you said to me doesn't seem scriptural. I am a spirtual person to and not just about the letter of the law.

Also, thanks for your thoughts on baptism-it was not pleasing to read for me what is being written online that we have our own temples and no need to go to church. That God isn't in church and we have no need for anything more-well, that is a misreading of Paul as it is not like that. I have taken the bit out about baptism till I look into it further...I know of someone who has been baptised in a field alone they say. I believe what they say. The word baptised and born of spirit can be interchangable to me and these religious ordannces though seem today to happen through a church inside or outside. This is in the west of course...I have that taken out though as it seemed to be merging two ideas into one and just discussing church going now.
Lets work with the Bible and the spirit of it to and no false made teachings just to suit or own lifes. Read my post again perhaps and reply which is the 1st post of mine in this page.
Hi there,

Yes, the Sabbath is a Holy Convocation Lev23:3

Jesus who is our example kept the Sabbath in a holy convocation

Luke4: 16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

Jesus said His house is a house of prayer for all nations.

Mark 11:17 Then He taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ ”

Jesus is quoting....

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”


Why we see both Jews and Gentiles in God's house of prayer (assembly) keeping every Sabbath decades after the Cross


Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

And God's house of pray continues in this same assembly on the Sabbath for worship for eternity, thus saith the Lord. God does not change. Mal3:6 Heb 13:8

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
 
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Hi everyone, I posted earlier in this forum about what I read on Got Questions here Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today? which used two scripture to say to that the Sabbath was no longer required in the New Testatment. I have written to them again asking them to amend this and showed the below to read. I hope that they change it.

My experience has been that it is very difficult for people to believe that their mother, father, pastor, deacons, friends and fellow church members might be mistaken on a particular point of doctrine. For example, if a Protestant were to speak with a Catholic believer against praying to Christ's mother Mary, I suspect the automatic reply would be defensiveness and falling-back to what they have been taught as children by trusted loved ones.

There is natural tendency to distrust those that says something different from the crowd. Look at the cartoon below. Who do you tend to think is ACTUALLY correct there? My default is to see the lone individual as arrogant and foolish, until proven otherwise.


The vast majority of Christians have been taught to see Sabbath keeping in a light of harmful, arrogant self-righteousness. If someone keeps the Sabbath, then it seems they must be falling back the Mosaic Law, trying to work their way to heaven like a Pharisee of old. I have seen many such replies to other posts here on CF.

I attend church on Saturday/Sabbath. But I am very aware that I am an errant and sinful human being, with no hope of salvation without the kindness and mercy of a loving Savior, Jesus. And isn't Christ what it is all about in the end?

Ultimately, I think it is important to point out the facts, Bible texts and logic of Sabbath keeping. But if it is not done through and for Christ, then it has no meaning at all. And under the spirit of Pharisee-ism, Sabbath-keeping can become just as burdensome as when the rulers wanted to kill Jesus for healing on the Sabbath.

We must all follow Christ, asking for the gift of the Holy Spirit to help us understand God's will for us. Because otherwise all the facts and details become just more points of confusion. Before I try to get the spec out of my brother's eye by teaching them the importance of remembering that God created the world in 6 days and rested and sanctified the 7th, I must ask for God's help to get the log of all my sins and wrong-doing out of my own eyes!

Best wishes,

Kevin T
 
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Hi there,

Yes, the Sabbath is a Holy Convocation Lev23:3

Jesus who is our example kept the Sabbath in a holy convocation

Luke4: 16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

Jesus said His house is a house of prayer for all nations.

Mark 11:17 Then He taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ ”

Jesus is quoting....

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”


Why we see both Jews and Gentiles in God's house of prayer (assembly) keeping every Sabbath decades after the Cross


Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

And God's house of pray continues in this same assembly on the Sabbath for worship for eternity, thus saith the Lord. God does not change. Mal3:6 Heb 13:8

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
SabbathBlessings You are a good teacher and I appreciate your help. thank you for what you have given us help on this topic. You have really made this subject much more developed and accurate.
 
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SabbathBlessings You are a good teacher and I appreciate your help. thank you for what you have given us help on this topic. You have really made this subject much more developed and accurate.
I appreciate your insight on this subject as well! Its refreshing!

God bless!
 
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My experience has been that it is very difficult for people to believe that their mother, father, pastor, deacons, friends and fellow church members might be mistaken on a particular point of doctrine. For example, if a Protestant were to speak with a Catholic believer against praying to Christ's mother Mary, I suspect the automatic reply would be defensiveness and falling-back to what they have been taught as children by trusted loved ones.

There is natural tendency to distrust those that says something different from the crowd. Look at the cartoon below. Who do you tend to think is ACTUALLY correct there? My default is to see the lone individual as arrogant and foolish, until proven otherwise.


The vast majority of Christians have been taught to see Sabbath keeping in a light of harmful, arrogant self-righteousness. If someone keeps the Sabbath, then it seems they must be falling back the Mosaic Law, trying to work their way to heaven like a Pharisee of old. I have seen many such replies to other posts here on CF.

I attend church on Saturday/Sabbath. But I am very aware that I am an errant and sinful human being, with no hope of salvation without the kindness and mercy of a loving Savior, Jesus. And isn't Christ what it is all about in the end?

Ultimately, I think it is important to point out the facts, Bible texts and logic of Sabbath keeping. But if it is not done through and for Christ, then it has no meaning at all. And under the spirit of Pharisee-ism, Sabbath-keeping can become just as burdensome as when the rulers wanted to kill Jesus for healing on the Sabbath.

We must all follow Christ, asking for the gift of the Holy Spirit to help us understand God's will for us. Because otherwise all the facts and details become just more points of confusion. Before I try to get the spec out of my brother's eye by teaching them the importance of remembering that God created the world in 6 days and rested and sanctified the 7th, I must ask for God's help to get the log of all my sins and wrong-doing out of my own eyes!

Best wishes,

Kevin T
Kevin T, thank you, very truthful words written. Thank you for really showing what is happening today. I don’t speak to very many people-you have given a really good view of things today. I agree with you about your views how you approach going and that salivation and mercy from Jesus is needed as well.
 
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Well, you need the Holy Spirit to develop a deepened spiritual life and walk as a Christian which Jesus asks. Most people do seem to get the Holy Spirit through baptism and being born again/and because of faith. Jesus said you need to be born of water and the Holy Spirit. It is his words. In the early Christian church they used to be able to go around, but in most countries today most get baptism of the Holy Spirit from some church organistion whether inside or outside. It was done for me that way to. I know some people may be outside of this, but the norm is to have got this through stepping through a church organisation whether it is done outside or inside.

The scripture to support church going in the Bible has been supported by ministers who own church's. This was in regards two critical scriptures the Colossians and Actts 15. The New Testatment supports church going and promotes it.

I would like to see what scipture you can show us here to say the New Testatment does not promote church going and are you a Christian. Some posters on this thread have said they were not Christian so I do ask.
Colossians 3, reveals the act above all is to put on charity. The ten commandments are not putting charity on, for to put charity on is to out the Lord Jesus Christ on.

That is of course speaking about the heart, which then, the peace of God rules there, as we are all called in one body.

Again the word of Christ DWELLLING IN US, is charity/Christ in us, the hope of glory, then we are teaching in all wisdom, admonishing one another in charity, not in a building.



1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

Colossians 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.



Moving on likewise to Colossians 4, we hear of the ONLY FELLOWWORKERS, WITH APOSTLE PAUL, and that PRAYERS ARE LABOURED ALWAYS FOR THESE IN CHURCHES IN THEIR HOUSES, that they MAY STAND PERFECT, COMPLETE IN ALL THE WILL OF GOD. (PUT ON CHARITY THE BOND OF PERFECTNESS. Colossians 3:14.)

Those churches are not supported as you would like to have it seen, but PUTTING ON OF CHARITY FOR EDIFICATION IS.



Colossians 4:11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.
12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
13 For I bear him record, that he hath a great zeal for you, and them that are in Laodicea, and them in Hierapolis.
14 Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.
15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.
16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
17 And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.
 
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@Abraham1st I went through some past posts and see that they do appear to be a Christian. If you have the time I would like you to show me some Bible scripture which does not support church going. Note if you read my two posts again above I didn't say that you need to attend church all the time, but that it is just promoted. I did write that people can be unwell and have grace or have life saving jobs/health and safety activities that may make this difficult. I also said that they can watch church online. They may not also due to other things but church going is still promoted. You can be a christian and not attend church, but that doesn't mean that church going is not desirable and promoted in the Bible.
I never went to church for many years in my life due to being unwell and was still a Christian with a personal relationship with my faith but I still knew that church going was promoted in the Bible and seen as the best thing to do. A truth is a truth and lived experience and personal thoughts are different. What you said to me doesn't seem scriptural. I am a spirtual person to and not just about the letter of the law.

Also, thanks for your thoughts on baptism-it was not pleasing to read for me what is being written online that we have our own temples and no need to go to church. That God isn't in church and we have no need for anything more-well, that is a misreading of Paul as it is not like that. I have taken the bit out about baptism till I look into it further...I know of someone who has been baptised in a field alone they say. I believe what they say. The word baptised and born of spirit can be interchangable to me and these religious ordannces though seem today to happen through a church inside or outside. This is in the west of course...I have that taken out though as it seemed to be merging two ideas into one and just discussing church going now.
Lets work with the Bible and the spirit of it to and no false made teachings just to suit or own lifes. Read my post again perhaps and reply which is the 1st post of mine in this page.
I don't know what else you want exactly, but if you want me to give opinion about things, just ask me, and I will do, try to be specific if you like, about verses you consider, and then the understanding will come, as long as the Lord is present, I can give my own understanding, but it won't help anything much, people attended churches, then great movements developed over time, until all you have are great divisions, they are not for me.
 
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I don't know what else you want exactly, but if you want me to give opinion about things, just ask me, and I will do, try to be specific if you like, about verses you consider, and then the understanding will come, as long as the Lord is present, I can give my own understanding, but it won't help anything much, people attended churches, then great movements developed over time, until all you have are great divisions, they are not for me.
Thank you, I think we arrived at what spiritual and scriptural in the Bible about church attendance.

I wanted to comment on something else though- some people have had a difficult time in church, some feel like outsiders, but there is a new movement with fresh people and ideas in some church's. They are accepting more neurodiverse people and hard of hearing to and more diverse people. Some focus more on love and then telling people about burning in hell to scare them today. Most do donations online now to so you can donate in private. I know some scheming pastors may have got some people in the past to give more than they can afford. I wish you well though with your ministry mission, things are getting diverse to what you can watch online like Catholic Holy Spirit church's on Youtube.

Remember Jesus said as well that we should focus on him alone as the perfect one and than human beings are not pefect but most are doing their best.
 
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Remember Jesus said as well that we should focus on him alone as the perfect one and than human beings are not pefect but most are doing their best.
We focus on each other, perfectly, it is the law and the prophets, remember.


Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
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So Rachelrising, if we ask we receive, but if we do our best, we do not receive, as the example is that, is it not, that the best evil men do, is to give good gifts unto their children, and then God will do that as we understand it, to give good gifts/the gift of the Holy Ghost to them who ASK HIM. (who ask in faith, without doubting/let him ask in faith nothing wavering.)



James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
 
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We focus on each other, perfectly, it is the law and the prophets, remember.


Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
There is a reason why I said this. In the UK I think it was last year the Archbishop of the Church of England who was much liked by me and I never knew of the scandal till it was in the press, the minister stood down of one church and so did the Archbishop because they said he didn't do enough to conclude the case his actions. He said after that people should remember that Jesus is the only perfect one and we should focus on him. I said this as if perhaps you may be have been disappointed by someones actions in church, you shouldn't hold their human actions too accountable and know that Jesus is only perfect one and reflect on that to perhaps. It seemed like you may have had a bad experience in a church.

The below is about what I posted about to you.
Thirdly, we are beginning to see that we can’t base our faith on charismatic celebrity leaders. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t have high expectations of their conduct, or that our world shouldn’t be rocked when their sins and crimes are uncovered. It is true, however, that we have sometimes made idols of leaders. Only Jesus is strong enough to bear the full weight of our faith – and recent times have been a hard lesson in what happens when we put someone else on his throne. I take hope in the fact that we seem to be putting less stock in famous Christians, and refocusing on Christ himself (who, might I add, remains scandal-free).

 
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