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Biden used his final weeks as commander-in-chief to grant clemency and pardon more than 1,500 individuals, in what his White House described as the largest single-day act of clemency by a U.S. president.
 
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To know that the men who took Officer Gibson’s life will walk free...
They pled guilty to the murder knowing that they would face the death sentence if they had pled innocent. Despite that they were found innocent.

From here: They Were Acquitted But Sentenced to Life Anyway. Now, They’re Finally Free..

'...federal judge Robert Payne sentenced Richardson and Claiborne to life in prison using “acquitted conduct sentencing,” a legal mechanism that allows judges to sentence defendants based on charges for which they were not convicted...'

Just...what? You could sentence people for crimes they didn't commit? Does that make any sense at all? If anyone deserved a pardon it was those two. Was that your best example?
 
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The committee “deems void President Biden’s executive actions that were signed using the Autopen,
I deem void all of Trump's autopen pardons of the J6'ers, because I know for sure he didn't sign them all himself.

Biden used his final weeks as commander-in-chief to grant clemency and pardon more than 1,500 individuals, in what his White House described as the largest single-day act of clemency by a U.S. president.
Until Trump pardoned the J6ers.
 
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They pled guilty to the murder knowing that they would face the death sentence if they had pled innocent. Despite that they were found innocent.

From here: They Were Acquitted But Sentenced to Life Anyway. Now, They’re Finally Free..

'...federal judge Robert Payne sentenced Richardson and Claiborne to life in prison using “acquitted conduct sentencing,” a legal mechanism that allows judges to sentence defendants based on charges for which they were not convicted...'

Just...what? You could sentence people for crimes they didn't commit? Does that make any sense at all? If anyone deserved a pardon it was those two. Was that your best example?
They confessed to killing a police officer before the other charges were brought.
 
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Biden’s autopen pardons are null and void due to ‘mental decline’, House Oversight Committee says


Republicans on the House Oversight Committee have written to Attorney General Pam Bondi claiming that former president Joe Biden’s “cognitive decline” was so severe he may not have been aware of pardons he allegedly signed by autopen.​
Conservatives on the committee advise Bondi that the 4,245 presidential pardons and commutations issued by the Democrat, 82, should therefore be placed under review and could be considered invalid.​
 
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"I am beyond outraged and in utter disbelief that President Biden would announce clemency for Ferrone Claiborne and Terence Richardson—two men who admitted for being responsible to brutally killing Officer Allen Gibson, a hero and dedicated servant to our community,” said Governor Glenn Youngkin. “What makes this even more unconscionable is the Biden U.S Attorney advised the White House not to commute these sentences as they are violent offenders. The pain and sorrow this clemency causes the Gibson family is unimaginable. To know that the men who took Officer Gibson’s life will walk free is not just a grave injustice—it is a heartbreaking blow to those who continue to mourn his sacrifice. This is despicable; a grim day for justice and for the families who trust that our system will hold the guilty accountable.”
1) Didn't Trump commute sentences for ALL the J6ers..including those who injured police officers' pepper sprayed them.
This nonsense "Oh gee willikers, look how distasteful THIS particular case is" is not something to discuss at length because Trump's pardons are no better.

Former President Joe Biden experienced such “cognitive decline” while in office that it remains a serious question as to whether he was aware of the substance of the various pardons and commutations signed in his name via autopen, the GOP-controlled House Oversight Committee asserted in a letter it sent to Attorney General Pam Bondi, urging her to consider whether that clemency might be invalid and to take action for potential prosecution against some of Biden’s aides.

The committee “deems void President Biden’s executive actions that were signed using the Autopen, and the committee determines that action by the Department of Justice is warranted to address the legal consequences of that determination,” it wrote to Bondi in the letter released Tuesday morning.
Presented "such congnitive decline" that there is exactly how much medical evidence indicating thusly? Because none seems to be the number.

Why should we trust people who look at Trump and think "This guy has got his finger on the pulse of everything" to judge whether ANYONE more sentient than a piece of toast, experiences "cognitive decline".

Find me the doctors reports and then there is a conversation to be had. As it is, it's a bunch of dishonest Republicans hating on Biden.


It's hard to take the Republican party seriously as a party of integrity....they just never seem to act like it.
 
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1) Didn't Trump commute sentences for ALL the J6ers..including those who injured police officers' pepper sprayed them.
This nonsense "Oh gee willikers, look how distasteful THIS particular case is" is not something to discuss at length because Trump's pardons are no better.
Presented "such congnitive decline" that there is exactly how much medical evidence indicating thusly? Because none seems to be the number.
Why should we trust people who look at Trump and think "This guy has got his finger on the pulse of everything" to judge whether ANYONE more sentient than a piece of toast, experiences "cognitive decline".
Find me the doctors reports and then there is a conversation to be had. As it is, it's a bunch of dishonest Republicans hating on Biden.
It's hard to take the Republican party seriously as a party of integrity....they just never seem to act like it.
So who we gonna' believe. . .you, or our lyin' eyes?
 
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1) Didn't Trump commute sentences for ALL the J6ers..including those who injured police officers' pepper sprayed them.
He pardoned nearly all of them. A handful of the seditious conspirators had sentences commuted.
 
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So who we gonna' believe. . .you, or our lyin' eyes?
Wow. That's dumb.

You should believe a doctor's health report.

We are supposed to believe the nonsense lies in Trump's health reports.

Find me the Biden report that says he's looney tunes or stop with this issue.
 
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Wow. That's dumb.
You should believe a doctor's health report.
We are supposed to believe the nonsense lies in Trump's health reports.
So which is it. . .health reports are believable. . .or unbelievable?
Find me the Biden report that says he's looney tunes
We are supposed to believe the nonsense lies in Biden's health reports.
or stop with this issue.
Does that usually work for you?
 
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1) Didn't Trump commute sentences for ALL the J6ers..including those who injured police officers' pepper sprayed them.
This nonsense "Oh gee willikers, look how distasteful THIS particular case is" is not something to discuss at length because Trump's pardons are no better.


Presented "such congnitive decline" that there is exactly how much medical evidence indicating thusly? Because none seems to be the number.

Why should we trust people who look at Trump and think "This guy has got his finger on the pulse of everything" to judge whether ANYONE more sentient than a piece of toast, experiences "cognitive decline".

Find me the doctors reports and then there is a conversation to be had. As it is, it's a bunch of dishonest Republicans hating on Biden.


It's hard to take the Republican party seriously as a party of integrity....they just never seem to act like it.
Rant all you want about Republicans but I can't take you seriously if you can't acknowledge that Biden was suffering from cognitive decline
 
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Wow. That's dumb.

You should believe a doctor's health report.

We are supposed to believe the nonsense lies in Trump's health reports.

Find me the Biden report that says he's looney tunes or stop with this issue.
You would believe a health report on Biden but don't believe the same on Trump?
 
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So which is it. . .health reports are believable. . .or unbelievable?

We are supposed to believe the nonsense lies in Biden's health reports.
Wow.

Sorry. I'm not willing to stoop this low. Good luck.
 
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Rant all you want about Republicans but I can't take you seriously if you can't acknowledge that Biden was suffering from cognitive decline
Show.
Me.
The.
Medical.
Assessments.
 
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You would believe a health report on Biden but don't believe the same on Trump?
You guys don't even HAVE one for Biden. So I'm not worried about answering that question.

Show me the medival report or this autopen scandal is a poop in a brown paper bag.
 
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